# Alpha clone suicide ganking need to stop! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191 "2020-03-01T19:50:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/433 "2020-03-20T12:48:13Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Well, other players would not agree with your assessment that all players are PvPers, so there is nothing that needs to be changed other than your views. Well then the better EVE is not for those players…many others would join and replace them… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/434 "2020-03-20T12:49:28Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > better Citation needed. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/435 "2020-03-20T12:49:47Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > many others would join Where are all these others you keep talking about going to live? New systems and Jitaville are slums already as it is, Amarr and Sinq not far behind. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/436 "2020-03-20T12:49:58Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Citation needed. you lack fantasy… ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/437 "2020-03-20T12:51:56Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Where are all these others you keep talking about going to live? New systems and Jitaville are slums already as it is, Amarr and Sinq not far behind. The bittervets call them ‘wow players’ ,they hate them so much… In reality those playertype is the ‘normal player’ these days and CCP has to accept this fact and get rid of 2004 and change the game to what the market wants and not what the bittervets would keep… Bottom line… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/438 "2020-03-20T12:52:43Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > you lack fantasy Maybe. But then, this EVE you want is better for you, not for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/439 "2020-03-20T12:53:42Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Maybe. But then, this EVE you want is better for you, not for everyone. Right…not for every vet here…but for millions of players worldwide… Time for ccp to ignore the 2004’ers and arrive 2020… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/440 "2020-03-20T12:54:32Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > for millions of players worldwide Citation needed. Or this is just another piece of your fantasy dream? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/441 "2020-03-20T12:55:01Z")
Change it and they will come is nothing more than a pipe dream. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/442 "2020-03-20T12:55:35Z")
Thats all lovely, but nothing to do with what I asked you. Where are all these PvErs going to live? ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/443 "2020-03-20T12:55:42Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > Citation needed. Or this is just another piece of your fantasy dream? Citation without trying? Explain me how please… ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/444 "2020-03-20T12:56:49Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Citation without trying? That’s not me claiming that PvP-free zone would generate a lot of new players. Others can say that it will kill the game, so now what? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/445 "2020-03-20T12:58:16Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Citation without trying? Well you’re so damn sure that changing the game to make hisec a PvP combat free zone will attract millions of customers that you must have some sort of evidence to back up your claims. Or are you just spouting unsubstantiated rubbish like you usually do? GIGO. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/446 "2020-03-20T14:35:33Z")
@Darlo_Kubika You and EvE, clearly not a marriage made in heaven. In fact it may be just a one night stand. You demand to change the rules for your play style that is totally the opposite of how the game was built. The world that you want to have would be very unwelcoming to those you call “bittervets”. I suspect the “bitttervets” on the other hand welcome players like yourself to come and live in “their” world. See the difference ? See the consequences ? What exactly would _the point_ be of a game where you can shoot lasers at rocks in total peace and oblivion ? Oh dear Bob or James or w/e, the crowds it would attract, they’d be coming in droves through the internet… Asteroid belts ripped to nothingness by swarms of miners everywhere anytime, angry crowds on the forums demanding more asteroids to mine, and strong measures to combat rampant deflation ! Until one day one miner thinks “I’m gonna blow up that guy and his shiny Orca next to me, I’ve had enough of his pigging” and starts a revolt. Yes, your idea could maybe create “content” that way… If my post is blatantly silly and satirical , dear sir, it was intentional. But your posts ? ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/447 "2020-03-20T15:13:34Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > If my post is blatantly silly and satirical , dear sir, it was intentional. But your posts ? His posts are nonsense. He even _knows_ they’re nonsense. He makes them simply to provoke argument because he needs the feedback that he’s important and noticeable. He’s been doing it for years, and there’s a dozen or more posters that’ve been feeding him for years. Try starving the troll, instead. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/448 "2020-03-20T19:00:36Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Non-pver’s on the other hand have nowhere to go They can go to WoW where they belong. EVE is a PvP game. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/449 "2020-03-21T09:23:33Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > They can go to WoW where they belong. EVE is a PvP game. See? This is the reason this game has problems…certanities of the bittervets and CCP even listening to them… Ignoring them and make the game fit for 2020 in the way I mentioned would be way more reasonable… And yes.it would be another game…but way more populated simply because the things i said are WANTED by a wast number of players today…and yes,the bittevets would leave…but also be replaced by others… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/450 "2020-03-21T09:34:46Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > feeding him for years Guilty as charged, I shall attempt not to feed the troll. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > They can go to WoW where they belong, EVE is a PvP game. Eve is indeed a PvP game, but like Scoots you’re using an enormous brush to paint PvE players with. Some of us non combative types see the fact that Eve is primarily a PvP game as a challenge, one which we willingly take on in order to succeed at Eve in our own ways. I’m a PvE player in that I don’t engage in direct PvP, however I do understand that Eve is what it is and strive to succeed at it regardless. Certainly there are those that share my playstyle that constantly demand that they be allowed to do so in peace and without risk; to them I say play something else, because PvE without risk has no value IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/451 "2020-03-21T09:40:42Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Some of us non combative types see the fact that Eve is primarily a PvP game as a challenge, one which we willingly take on in order to succeed at Eve in our own ways. Yeah… Some of PVE obey to this ‘Eve is a PVP game’ BS instead of fighting it to the core because it was told you it has to be so for years. Stop kneeing down to this creeps and stand on your feet resisting them dude… This is the only way this game will survive… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/452 "2020-03-21T11:19:32Z")
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