# Alpha clone suicide ganking need to stop! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191 "2020-03-01T19:50:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/564 "2020-03-22T16:24:54Z")
> [@xavier69](#): > > A locked alpha safety in empire is only real enforceable solution. No, if what you say is true, the Alpha programme should be removed. > [@xavier69](#): > > To my knowledge CCP thinks its ok to let someone pay for 25 omega accounts and bully others with their own personal army. And as I asked before; when was it not this way in the last however-long-youve played? ---
**Author:** ![xavier69](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xavier69/32/497798_2.png) [@xavier69](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xavier69)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/565 "2020-03-22T16:34:02Z")
I would agree to make everyone pay a sub again. but ccp isn’t going to do that. So its lame idea of ip limiting isn’t working. Alpha should have the safety locked in empire this would stop the hacker’s dead cold. If you want to gank in empire use an omega account or join a corp and war decree your targets. In 0.4 and lower the alpha should be allowed to turn off the safety at any time without restrictions. Other games restrict PVP to new players for the first 30 days or base it on playtime or ability points again any of these methods would also work. locking the safety for first 40 hours of online time on alpha accounts or only allowing the safety to be turned off after an alpha reaches 5 million skill points are also viable but harder solutions to implement. I seriously doubt ccp will do anything its already over. The employees running for the door tell me that… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/566 "2020-03-22T16:39:53Z")
> [@xavier69](#): > > The employees running for the door tell me that… Wait.. you’re the janitor at CCP? This changes everything ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/567 "2020-03-22T16:59:26Z")
> [@xavier69](#): > > To my knowledge CCP thinks its ok to let someone pay for 25 omega accounts and bully others with their own personal army. You sir, are a ■■■■■. Men don’t cry about how they were bullied in a videogame. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/568 "2020-03-22T17:19:09Z")
> [@xavier69](#): > > why do 89% of new players stop playing eve after only 7 days? I am guessing these ganking alpha bot armies have a lot to do wtih eve online horrific player retention numbers. Nope. The vast majority quit without experiencing pvp. In fact there is a correlation between getting ganked and staying around longer. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/569 "2020-03-22T19:01:52Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > If you don’t want a pvp game, play something else If you want a PVP game, buy an Omega you cheap ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Josh\_en\_Welle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/josh_en_welle/32/252976_2.png) [@Josh\_en\_Welle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Josh_en_Welle)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/570 "2020-03-22T19:34:52Z")
If you don’t want a PvP game, buy an Omega account and fly the tankier, more expensive ships that require Omega. Why should my gameplay style require a subscription and yours shouldn’t? In fact, PvP has been EVE’s default mode for all of space since its inception. edit: i like how i hit the reply button to Mr. Foggy above me and it didn’t post it as a reply. oh well ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/571 "2020-03-22T19:47:01Z")
Do they wrap trolls in tinfoil now ? ---
**Author:** ![Messir\_Astaroth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/messir_astaroth/32/448074_2.png) [@Messir\_Astaroth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Messir_Astaroth)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/573 "2020-03-22T21:00:17Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > And we all know how easily that single alpha lock can be bypassed. No. That is an instaban for ALL your accounts upon discovery. This thread is an absolute ■■■■ and full of carebear tears ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/574 "2020-03-22T21:04:24Z")
That’s nice. Note how you said on discovery… That’s the part that makes the Insta ban meaningless since they have to discover it. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/576 "2020-03-22T21:51:53Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > One time ages ago a dev put out one small piece of a fanfest presentation on this using stats and methods that most people find questionable and you lot still repeat it continuously. It is a problem with science as a whole, actually. Not a lot of people actually try to repeat experiments done before by others, because it is not that cool and profitable as getting completely new results. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/577 "2020-03-22T21:51:57Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-need-to-stop/223191/578 "2020-03-22T21:52:06Z")
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