# Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448 "2022-06-18T21:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/239 "2022-11-17T18:05:40Z")
“X mission rewards are too low for the amount of time it takes to run it” or “torpedoes do too little damage compared to other short-range battleship weapons and need to be tuned” is feedback. “All non-consensual PvP that has been one of EVE’s core features since the beginning needs to be removed from the game immediately” is not feedback, but petulant, entitled whining. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/241 "2022-11-17T18:24:48Z")
Believing that feedback I dislike shouldn’t exist is no different from believing that a game feature you dislike shouldn’t exist. If people have the entitlement to come in here and voice their opinions/make demands about changing the fundamental nature of the game, I’m likewise entitled to think that they are “invaders” that function no differently from locusts that swarm in on healthy crops, consume everything down to the root, and then move on to the next fertile field to ruin. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/243 "2022-11-17T18:55:41Z")
Destiny, I don’t know why you bother engaging with Scot anymore. He’s been given tons of reason at this point and all he ever does is repeat the same “nope”, “you never gave me reasons”, “they have no argument”, and it’s old at this point. Deny deny deny. Somehow turn that into “I am right”. It’s a formula designed to exhaust everyone else. The best we get to do is turn him into the ghost of “View 1 Hidden Reply” past. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/244 "2022-11-17T18:59:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I love how you’re banging on about entitlement while you trying to dictate whether other people are allowed to voice opinions or not. I don’t know where you’re getting this from, since I never expressed the sentiment that people shouldn’t be allowed to voice their opinions. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s not even like you’re coming up with rational counterpoints just screeching some about entitlement and core principles The rational counterpoints have already been repeated ad nauseam. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > core principles you have no issue crapping on when it’s in your interest. Feel free to provide some examples, of which I’m sure you have plenty. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/246 "2022-11-17T19:23:43Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Its just bitter grapes. I am sorry for doubting you hours ago when assuming you too were one of those. I see now how you and Destiny are in alignment with some agreement from reading Destiny’s reply to Lucas. It was sort of warm and welcoming to wake up to that on the forum today. ---
**Author:** ![Zayisha\_Andara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zayisha_andara/32/249831_2.png) [@Zayisha\_Andara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zayisha_Andara)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/247 "2022-11-17T19:41:07Z")
Simple Solution: Lock Security Button for Alpha Accounts in HiSec! - Don’t like to be ganked by Alphas? Go to HiSec. - You are Alpha and don’t like it? Go to Low-/Nullsec or buy Omega. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/249 "2022-11-17T19:47:43Z")
> [@Zayisha\_Andara](#): > > Simple Solution: Simpler Solution: Don’t lock Security Button for Alpha Accounts in HiSec! - Don’t like to be ganked by Alphas? Tough. - You are Alpha and like it? Good, keep on ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Drago\_Shouna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drago_shouna/32/350651_2.png) [@Drago\_Shouna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drago_Shouna)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/250 "2022-11-17T19:50:31Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Everyone on the forum seems to disagree with you. Have you ever considered that they might be right and you wrong? Not everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/251 "2022-11-17T19:53:07Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > The best we get to do is turn him into the ghost of “View 1 Hidden Reply” past. Yup. Sound advice. Him and his known alts ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/b/6/0b6b465f249a772f7e96719209cff60e8e33f243.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Zayisha\_Andara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zayisha_andara/32/249831_2.png) [@Zayisha\_Andara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zayisha_Andara)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/252 "2022-11-17T19:54:03Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Simpler Solution: > > Don’t lock Security Button for Alpha Accounts in HiSec! > > - Don’t like to be ganked by Alphas? Tough. > - You are Alpha and like it? Good, keep on ganking. Not simpler, worse (and we already have that) That simply gives Narcissists/Sociopaths a free of charge Stage with a “zero Risk/High reward” Scenario. I’m ok with that… as long as they have to buy a ticket for that with real Cash! ← Win for CCP and EvE Online. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/253 "2022-11-17T20:22:19Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > Feel free to provide some examples, of which I’m sure you have plenty. > > Take your pick. EVE is enormously different from it was at launch and I’ve not seen you put a fraction of as much effort into complaining about other changes as you do into defending griefing. First you say I crap on core principles, then you say I don’t defend them. Just choose one angle and stick with it already. It’s getting really hard to track all of your flip-flopping. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/254 "2022-11-17T20:35:28Z")
> [@Zayisha\_Andara](#): > > as long as they have to buy a ticket for that with real Cash! I do, with the credit card. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/255 "2022-11-17T21:14:54Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You haven’t refuted any claims. You’ve pointed out that my opinion are opinions - which isn’t in dispute - and you’ve launch multiple personal attacks at me while misrepresenting my statements. I totally agree with Ax’l that your tactic is that of the crybully. _Any_ disagreement with your supreme correctness about absolutely everything is treated as ‘personal attack’. This _isn’t_ the modus operandi of someone who wants, as they claim, a ‘discussion’. It is the modus operandi of a forum bully who seeks to silence all dissent by sly resort to martyr mode and treating any disagreement as an ‘attack’. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/256 "2022-11-17T21:29:28Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s OK for us to not agree, you get that, right? You don’t have to try to invent a narrative by which I’m objectively wrong and you don’t have to pretend that everything I say is “nonsense” or that I’m “deluded” for simply not agreeing with you. We can just disagree. No. If what someone says is nonsense then I call it such. _Some_ aspects may be personal opinion but a good deal of the debate can be underlain with actual facts. For example it is a fact that more noob Ventures are destroyed in highsec by NPCs than by gankers. The problem is that you just ignore the facts…certainly those that do not fit your narrative. I cannot ‘agree to disagree’ on things that are facts. I can see how its an extremely useful meme for you to get round disagreeable facts…but an apple is an apple and not an orange whether you personally ‘agree’ or not. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/257 "2022-11-17T21:33:19Z")
if I hadn’t seen it, I would never have believed that you can write and create so much about a game that doesn’t even exist… ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/258 "2022-11-17T21:40:19Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > carte-blanche for mayhem Somehow that sounds good. I love mayhem. > [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > without consequences That doesn’t sound good. There should always be consequences or it would feel like playing a PvE game with cheats on. > [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > A lot of mesures was offerd so i just repeat most popular again. > > - Block safety switch for alpha clones. > - Add cumulative crime status timer It looks like the message went through. I don’t know if it was a smart move but the consequences should not take long to manifest. It should be interesting. God I’m so curious my middle name may as well be Cat. ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/259 "2022-11-17T21:55:35Z")
that account you have says it does ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/261 "2022-11-18T00:37:36Z")
Your funny! 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/262 "2022-11-18T00:50:12Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So what? We already covered this. No…we…didn’t. Your response to any disagreeable fact is invariably ‘so what ?’ and an attempt to make out that you covered something that you actually just brushed under the carpet. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Do you believe that NPC and players are the same? A complete red herring of a question. As the issue is whether a noob can recover from loss, what conceivable difference does it make whether that loss was caused by an NPC or a player ? It is quite ridiculous that you feel the need to get into some absurd philosophical argument in order to evade the simple FACT that NPCs kill more noobs than gankers do. As always, you have not ‘covered’ the issue…you’ve just evaded it and then tried to pretend that you got past it. You are probably one of the most utterly dishonest debaters I have ever come across…and that takes quite some doing. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/263 "2022-11-18T00:57:03Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Rather than engaging in constructive discussions wardec groups just said “No they aren’t” then proceeded to double down on wardecs and go as crazy as they could This is a blatant lie, there were discords CCP devs participated in, and there were Focus Groups runned by CCP that included many war dec groups…most of the wardeccr’s are gone, and groups like PIRAT and Public Enemy folded after these changes. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=13)