# Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448 "2022-06-18T21:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/264 "2022-11-18T01:03:51Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > This _isn’t_ the modus operandi of someone who wants, as they claim, a ‘discussion’. It is the modus operandi of a forum bully who seeks to silence all dissent by sly resort to martyr mode and treating any disagreement as an ‘attack’. Careful [Redacted] will use their army of 300 omega alts to flag this post as inappropriate. It is one of the many tools of the crybully. Cancel culture and silencing the opposition. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/265 "2022-11-18T01:08:04Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > flag this post as inappropriate I wear those flags on my back as proof I hit a nerve. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/267 "2022-11-18T09:48:01Z")
Reading this thread its clear no one understands each other. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/268 "2022-11-18T09:52:11Z")
![image-2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/d/f/bdf975018a4308d488687f3d3ea4fc72503f2fec.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/269 "2022-11-18T10:13:20Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > Reading this thread its clear no one understands each other No one wants to. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/270 "2022-11-18T10:34:17Z")
I believe everyone should keep spreading the legend of the alpha multiboxing fleets. These tears are invaluable when I dunk hulks and retrievers. Not only the miner gets dunked by some -10ss toons… but these toons are playing for free!. The salt produced by the miners was of utmost purity. Please lets keep the legend alive. Time to undock my 10 alphas, miners be ready! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/271 "2022-11-18T11:06:06Z")
> [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > Time to undock my 10 alphas, miners be ready! I guess that makes you an Alpha Female? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/a/4/4a402e01b05d831bb8325fa02250bb96f73e0c4c.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Offensive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_offensive/32/401971_2.png) [@Dr\_Offensive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Offensive)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/272 "2022-11-18T11:11:03Z")
I had a laugh at 0:20 Top 10 MMOs you can play on your own 🤣 I then remembered that the last time I fleeted up with other players in EVE was about a year ago. Regarding the original question I think a line should be drawn under this and the thread locked, as the ability to do this has now been removed. A BRAND NEW Megathread should now be started - # Omega clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/273 "2022-11-18T12:41:36Z")
> [@Drago\_Shouna](#): > > Not everyone True, forgot about his alts. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/274 "2022-11-18T12:56:05Z")
> [@Dr\_Offensive](#): > > Whinebabies - plague of EVE Corrected ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/275 "2022-11-18T14:46:26Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That’s not the only issue though, as has been explained to you multiple times. It _is_ the issue as I _made_ it the issue. How can an issue that I raised not be the issue…duh ! > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you are going to claim that the loss of a ship to an NPC is the same as a the loss of a ship to a player then the same applies to killing NPCs. Only a complete charlatan fails to grasp the point being made. A loss is a loss. What does it matter to the noob whether his Venture was lost to an NPC or a player ? It is _utterly dishonest_…but then that’s precisely what I’ve come to expect from you…to try to twist it all round to be about killing NPCs. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/276 "2022-11-18T14:50:38Z")
Killing players is the same as killing NPCs. Except I cant do it. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/277 "2022-11-18T14:52:49Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > whether his Venture was lost to an NPC or a player? There’s a HUGE difference. I’m pretty sure NPC’s don’t exhibit malice. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/1/0/c1074a610c6057736b2ef58c02c171c7128de887.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/278 "2022-11-18T14:57:48Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > Reading this thread its clear no one understands each other. Oh everyone understands each other just fine. They just have different viewpoints of the game and what it should be. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/279 "2022-11-18T14:57:53Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > I’m pretty sure NPC’s don’t exhibit malice. The malice is coded into the NPCs by the devs. No, you don’t get to go all John Searle ( aka Chinese Room thought experiment ) on the issue. If I code my car to run someone over, the fact that there is no malice ‘in the car itself’ does not mean there is no malice whatever. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/280 "2022-11-18T15:02:11Z")
> [@Zayisha\_Andara](#): > > That simply gives Narcissists/Sociopaths a free of charge Stage with a “zero Risk/High reward” Scenario. I question this notion that high sec suicide ganking is “zero risk/high reward”. The advantage that suicide gankers have is that they usually have the initiative. They decide if they attack. But it is so easy to take the initiative from them, and at that point all they do is float around a gate/station or roam around. Static suicide ganks on gates require different tactics than roving gangs of catalysts, but with just a handful of simple tactics a pilot can easily defeat gankers most of the time. Suicide ganking is a high-risk tactic that is easy to defeat. It is just that a high percentage of high sec players are too lazy to defend themselves. Removing pvp competition to protect people who are just not good at the game is going to lead to the death of EvE. It removes the one thing that EvE has over most other MMOs. The one thing that EvE can compete favorably with. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/281 "2022-11-18T15:14:20Z")
> [@Zayisha\_Andara](#): > > I’m ok with that… as long as they have to buy a ticket for that with real Cash! No…all it actually does is create a new imbalance. If free Alpha accounts cannot gank Omegas, and I don’t mind the argument put forward to support that, then why should Omegas still get a security status loss for ganking free Alphas ? ---
**Author:** ![Zayisha\_Andara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zayisha_andara/32/249831_2.png) [@Zayisha\_Andara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zayisha_Andara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/283 "2022-11-18T16:11:09Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > with just a handful of simple tactics a pilot can easily defeat gankers Do that in an Orca or Mining Barge against 30 Catalysts. Do it and post (a non staged) Video, i dare you! 😂 > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > why should Omegas still get a security status loss for ganking Because it’s a criminal action. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/284 "2022-11-18T16:29:20Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Countless gankers have claimed that it’s easy to foil a gank, not one has taken up the challenge to form an AG group to demonstrate it. The reality is that the most you can realistically do is cause gankers to choose another target, but if they really want something ganked it’ll be ganked. If you are challenging me Luca, I accept! I do not propose that one has an Anti Gank fleet roaming the stars looking to foil gankers, or anything so complicated. Just use common sense and pay attention to one’s surrounding. I know people have quoted (maybe miss quoted) and teased you about have dozens or hundreds of Omega accounts, but if you are comfortable flying 20 catalyst accounts or half a dozen tornados, or what ever, I would be more than willing to but my mackinaw, mastodon, or fenrir where my mouth is. Would you care to see if you can gank me this weekend? As I have tried to demonstrate with applying simple strategies, ganks can be avoided. The thing is miners and haulers need to take the initiative and defend themselves before the attack has happened. If you stand still and allow someone to get a headlock on you, you will be waking up on the mat. I don’t have any secret kenpo I just know enough to not stand still and allow the gank to get me. 90% of the time that is really all it takes. If anyone wants me to outline the basic tactics and how to apply them, (as I have multiple times), I will start a new thread with a serious discussion on how to avoid ganks from the perspective of a “care bear”. I understand that you are not a seasoned ganker. Contrary to your implications I have never ganked anyone either. If you want to enlist seasoned gankers to hunt me, I accept the challenge. This will be great fun! Let us do it this weekend, or do you want more time to prepare? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/285 "2022-11-18T16:40:41Z")
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