# Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448 "2022-06-18T21:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/286 "2022-11-18T16:43:13Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I disagree. I think it will lead to more casual players playing EVE, and from that group of people some of them will then go on to play in different areas of space so activity will increase across the board. Right now we have a situation where new players are immediately subjected to griefing. Yeah, we have both gone in circles about this, so I won’t spend much time repeating myself. I will say that I have never been ganked once in this game. I have been playing on and off since 2004. I tried to get my son to play this game. Never once has anyone tried to gank him since he started playing. He quit playing because EvE is boring and feels too much like a second job rather than a constant adrenaline rush like the games he likes to play. Every time I quit playing EvE it is because I was bored with the game. This claim that there are thousands of people who are intimidated by the gankers of EvE runs counter to all of my experience with the game, and just does not ring true. People I have tried to get to play EvE either don’t like nonconsensual PvP, and so don’t want to try EvE, or just didn’t like EvE because it was too slow paced and complicated. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yeah, the one thing EVE has over other MMOs is that EVE allows griefing. And the result is EVE having a dwindling population and losing profitability. Or it may be that MMO’s in general have finite life spans, and people get tired and walk away from them over time. EvE is one of the longest running MMO’s in history. I have played and walked away from at least half a dozen MMO’s myself. EvE is one of the few that I always return to because of its unique game play, and I hope we don’t dilute it to where EvE is no longer special. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/287 "2022-11-18T16:54:40Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > If anyone wants me to outline the basic tactics and how to apply them, (as I have multiple times), I will start a new thread with a serious discussion on how to avoid ganks from the perspective of a “care bear”. Yes please. If anything it will be useful and I’m sure interesting. But why just for “carebears”? Why do they matter so much? What about the other players who aren’t carebears but are interested in reading about ways to avoid ganks? Ratters, Explorers, Mission runners, Haulers… Anyway, I hope you do that thread and explain every steps like you’re talking to three-month-old EVE players who don’t know what the use of D-scan is for since you can’t use it to warp to anything listed in that window. And thanks. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/288 "2022-11-18T16:56:07Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Sorry, but our most esteemed and venerable community members like Lucas, Dracvlad, Epeen, etc. are not accepting player challenges at this time (or ever). But, but, but Lucas said that I was the one who was not accepting the challenge (or at least he implied it). You don’t think he was being disingenuous, do you? I have faith Lucas was not just grand standing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/289 "2022-11-18T16:57:39Z")
> [@Total\_Bedlam](#): > > But why just for “carebears”? Because those tend to be the only ones who get caught, or at the very least rage about it. If a pvper gets ganked he probably goes “ah well that’s on me, you got me good”. Carebears have a habit of blaming everyone but their own lack of effort. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/290 "2022-11-18T17:01:54Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Because those tend to be the only ones who get caught, or at the very least rage about it > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Carebears have a habit of blaming everyone but their own lack of effort In that case T Elliot’s thread will be useless to the carebears since they refuse responsibility for their errors. His thread would better serve anyone _but_ carebears. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/291 "2022-11-18T17:02:24Z")
You can lead a horse to water etc etc. Thing is, not all PVE players are carebears and not everyone on this forum is a vet who (should) know better. So having the info out there is good, how much good it will do is up for debate but it might help some folks which makes it worth while. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/292 "2022-11-18T17:11:09Z")
> [@Total\_Bedlam](#): > > In that case T Elliot’s thread will be useless to the carebears since they refuse responsibility for their errors. > His thread would better serve anyone _but_ carebears. (Sigh) This is the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/293 "2022-11-18T17:12:51Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > This is the issue To hell with carebears. Do the thread for the rest of us who want to understand how to foil a gank, please and thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/294 "2022-11-18T17:50:58Z")
> [@Total\_Bedlam](#): > > To hell with carebears. Do the thread for the rest of us who want to understand how to foil a gank, please and thanks. @Gix_Firebrand already did a step by step thread on this. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/295 "2022-11-18T17:53:55Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Except I cant do it Yes you can. Land on player’s head, engage scram, web and guns then laugh manically as player dies. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/296 "2022-11-18T18:02:02Z")
I gave several guides already 😃 What’s funny is the carebears crying nerfed the single, easiest way to prevent a gank 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/297 "2022-11-18T18:14:46Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > What’s funny is the carebears crying nerfed the single, easiest way to prevent a gank 😃 Ironic isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Total\_Bedlam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/total_bedlam/32/341964_2.png) [@Total\_Bedlam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Total_Bedlam)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/298 "2022-11-18T18:14:54Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I gave several guides already I shall be reading them too, and thank you. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/299 "2022-11-18T18:16:45Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > @Gix_Firebrand already did a step by step thread on this. @Gix_Firebrand’s thread was great. It is worth digging up again to the top of the list. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/301 "2022-11-18T20:21:08Z")
Wut in the racism is this? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/303 "2022-11-18T20:38:44Z")
Bold of you to assume things 😃 I mean, my guy what is even the reason to post a pic like that? We’re talking about killing peeps in a vidya game? It ain’t my fault you’re telling on yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/304 "2022-11-18T20:38:54Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > How exactly is that story racist? I don’t think he wrote that the story is racist. However, what does it have to do with EVE, and why did you pick that specific story to post - that’s where the possibility of casual racism comes in? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/305 "2022-11-18T20:39:14Z")
Bingo 😃 ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/306 "2022-11-18T20:40:25Z")
Miner, this is a family chat. Please calm down. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/307 "2022-11-18T20:43:45Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > where the possibility of casual racism comes in First, I didn’t post the story until Gix pulled the race card. Second, the story nor the image are racist. It’s an actual news story. Third, the picture was drawing a simple comparison between gankers and gangs. It doesn’t seem that complicated. * * * [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=15)