# Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448 "2022-06-18T21:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/354 "2022-11-19T17:17:05Z")
> [@Zayisha\_Andara](#): > > But your equation is missing an important component! > (Hint: there is a very important difference between Alpha and Omega Accounts) It seems the be integral to her entire argument. It doesn’t seem missing at all. I don’t agree with it (and think the sec status hit is fine, even if it’s a character on an alpha account that is ganked), but the difference between alpha and omega is exactly the point she is making. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/355 "2022-11-19T17:22:03Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Oh for God’s sake. I think I finally reached the point of having had _enough_ of your made up BS and your _pretence_ to know exactly how every player feels about everything. Do you know what the definition of insanity is? I’ll give you a hint. It has something to do with trying to have a rational discussion with [Redacted]. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/357 "2022-11-19T17:46:35Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If you can’t form coherent counterpoints and don’t understand the basics of game design then don’t keep involving yourself in discussion about them. Go back to burger flipping or whatever you specialty is. Lol…what was it you were saying about people being abusive ? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/358 "2022-11-19T17:55:36Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Probably not So that proves the whole whining was nonsense. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > CCP were clear that it was a preemptive change to Yeah no. The changes CCP made did not affect any “professional” ganker at all and the day tripper ones were never the problem to begin with, if there even was a problem. In short: crybabies cry for changes that don’t work and change nothing. And when said change happens, that affects nothing, they will cry for more changes so you might as well ignore the crying. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/359 "2022-11-19T18:00:37Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > that affects nothing How many accounts does aiKo have to PLEX now? * * * ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/360 "2022-11-19T18:03:15Z")
No idea. Never spoken to that person, fleeted with any of them at all ever nor am I an active ganker to begin with. Besides, you can be sure that any ganker has been reported a bazillion times and been checked by GM multiple times. Anyone who has a bunch of alpha gank accounts used logged in, avoiding the alpha limitations, would have been found out and removed long ago. If you have actual proof, like real proof, feel free to post it otherwise stfu on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/361 "2022-11-19T18:09:05Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > stfu on the subject Did I strike a nerve? Akio has said multiple times that she uses Alpha accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/362 "2022-11-19T18:09:48Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Akio has said Akio is a troll who will say anything. Don’t be dumb, it makes for terrible conversation. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/363 "2022-11-19T18:10:32Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Akio has said multiple times that she uses Alpha accounts. Of course she has, because she knows that will grind people’s gears in the forum. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/365 "2022-11-19T18:44:11Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > amount of ganking taking place. It’s decreased since this expansion. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/367 "2022-11-19T20:10:03Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > There’s no comparison! NPCs aren’t capable of “griefing”. Wut. NPCs are the original griefers. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I sure have, it’s psychological. An NPC is part of the game mechanics and is not seeking to grief. Additionally in most high security areas there wont be any NPCs that bring overwhelming force. Gankers on the over hand intend to grief and always bring overwhelming force. The helplessness and the removal of the targets player agency by another player factors heavily into the impact. Ah. So you got peer reviewed studies backing this hypothesis right? Right? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s not invented, it’s literally part of the game design for MMOs and is why most MMOs don’t allow griefing but do allow strong monsters that can defeat players. Oh. You got that proof right? Documents saying this. Right? > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > I have him blocked and you should too, however he is right about this. Actually he isn’t. With players, skill is involved. For example, when you fight an NPC fighter in Street Fighter on the highest settings, you lose often because it simply plays faster than humans can. I feel more cheated fighting the computer than a player. Players are human and can mess up. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You don’t need a degree in psychology to understand basic psychological responses. Most normal people just need basic empathy to understand it. You do in order to form the hypothesis you’re trying to 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/368 "2022-11-19T20:19:45Z")
These weren’t alphas. CCP should ban y’all for spreading this ■■■■■■■■. It’s bad enough y’all are so pathetic that you’d rather whine then HTFU. THEN you gotta come spread misinformation on the forums? Honestly, a post like this should warrant a temp forum ban at this point. Straight up lying. Seriously though. The anti-PvP crowd in this game is the most pathetic community I have ever experienced in my life. Y’all know the least, whine the loudest, and have all but destroyed one of the best games of all time with your entitlement. Anti-PvP = Entitled brat ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/369 "2022-11-19T20:20:15Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > NPCs are the original griefers. They sweep the asteroid belts clean in highsec if they are left alone for a few hours. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/371 "2022-11-19T20:56:33Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > rather whine then HTFU What are you doing…exactly? > [@Bladewise](#): > > CCP really needs to ban folks making posts like this. Like 1 warning, a temp forums ban, 3rd strike and they should permaban all your accounts from the game. Isn’t discussion of forum moderation against the rules? ---
**Author:** ![Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tenger_ondor_khaan/32/357667_2.png) [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tenger_Ondor_Khaan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/372 "2022-11-19T21:27:40Z")
You can not have but one Alpha account per subscriber. BUT, you can plex omega time on Alpha accounts which is what the Null Nerds do so one low life can use serveral alpha omegas to gank/greif you. There is is economic reward for this except cloaked greifing. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/374 "2022-11-19T21:41:03Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Are you saying that EVE gankers are criminals and felons in real life Definately. They should be hunted down in real life and thrown in prison for blowing up whinebaby spaceships don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/375 "2022-11-19T23:34:38Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > thrown in prison That’s a bit drastic, it’s only a Class C Misdemeanor… * * * ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/376 "2022-11-19T23:40:01Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Did I strike a nerve? No…but I’m quite happy to do so… My Alpha ganker could only ever get to about 600 DPS with a Catalyst…as Alphas actually cannot do the full range of skills. Since I moved my ganker account to be one of my Omega accounts, its already on 750 DPS after just 2 weeks, and heading towards 800 DPS or so. So the net effect of all you whiny crybabies is that I now have a far more effective ganker character. Coming to a system near you…soon. You haven’t stopped ganking…you’ve actually ensured that gankers will be more powerful, ironically. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/377 "2022-11-19T23:49:09Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Since I moved my ganker account to be one of my Omega accounts Moved or upgraded? If you had to upgrade to Omega then CCP definitely got the result they were looking for. If you transferred a character then CCP definitely got the result they were looking for. BTW, are you still funding both sides of this war…if you are, then CCP definitely got the result they were looking for. * * * \*No nerve struck here…sorry 😜 😂 🤣 😭 * * * ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/378 "2022-11-19T23:51:31Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Isn’t discussion of forum moderation against the rules? Look at you snitching. Pathetic LOL. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=18)