# Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448 "2022-06-18T21:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Zayisha\_Andara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zayisha_andara/32/249831_2.png) [@Zayisha\_Andara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zayisha_Andara)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/400 "2022-11-20T15:56:36Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > the difference between alpha and omega is exactly the point she is making. And coming to the wrong solution. Alpha = free Test Account Omega = paying customer So it would be completely fine if Alphas could not gang in HiSec but can be ganked (by Omegas). ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/401 "2022-11-20T16:00:47Z")
> [@Zayisha\_Andara](#): > > Alpha = free Test Account > Omega = paying customer You are just stating what’s she already been saying, so how is that: > [@Zayisha\_Andara](#): > > But your equation is missing an important component! > (Hint: there is a very important difference between Alpha and Omega Accounts) Also, alphas aren’t a test account. That’s your own imagined view of them, not CCP’s. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/402 "2022-11-20T16:20:05Z")
You can play EVE legit and be alpha and you can do just fine. While many people see it as some sort of “trial” that’s their perception rather than reality, The notion of “must be omega” is really no different from “must fly T2”: some things work better, or at all, with omega/t2 but that doesn’t mean it’s a necessity to play the game and have fun. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/403 "2022-11-20T16:43:40Z")
Alphas are fine, because I keep undocking my alpha fleet to kill rookies. ---
**Author:** ![Zayisha\_Andara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zayisha_andara/32/249831_2.png) [@Zayisha\_Andara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zayisha_Andara)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/404 "2022-11-20T17:25:59Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Also, alphas aren’t a test account. That’s your own imagined view of them, not CCP’s. It’s just a name. Then call it “limited Account”. Different name, same outcome. Alpha accounts are limited. so it’s absolutely valid that omega accounts can do things alphas can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Blade\_Darth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blade_darth/32/378598_2.png) [@Blade\_Darth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blade_Darth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/406 "2022-11-20T18:25:08Z")
Depends how he does it… If he has 5 computers and each running an alpha clone, I guess that’s ok. If he has 1 pc and runs 5 virtual machines on it in order to use 5 alpha accounts, that’s not allowed… Also how does he control those accounts, ALT+TAB or input broadcasting? Broadcasting = ban… ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/407 "2022-11-20T18:26:10Z")
I thought it was IP specific. ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/408 "2022-11-20T19:17:30Z")
Lol can we ban this dude? @ISD_Traindriver They lie about literally everything and it derails any hope of a constructive convo. This is them lying about Aiko in a thread lying about alpha ganking being a problem. This is a big part of EVEs problem. CCP HAS TO TAKE a hardline stance on this crap one way or another. Either support ganking, close topics like this, ban folks making up mechanics, derailing, and misrepresenting facts/straight out lying. OR just get rid of HS PvP entirely (and watch your game die). ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/410 "2022-11-20T19:57:26Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > CCP HAS TO TAKE a hardline stance on this crap one way or another. I think it was CCP Falcon that wasn’t afraid to. The devs these days I’m pretty sure are. Fearful of the petulant whining. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/411 "2022-11-20T20:13:35Z")
> [@Zayisha\_Andara](#): > > Alpha accounts are limited. so it’s absolutely valid that omega accounts can do things alphas can’t. No one is arguing differently to that. It’s not though, _“Different name, same outcome.”_. They are not a test account. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/412 "2022-11-20T20:14:36Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > players should learn how to drive a standard transmission Just get a bicycle and demand a cycling infrastructure that so cars can’t gank you. Won’t work though, car drivers will just gank you with an ebike ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/7/e/67e7b0b8fa5e294ca11b0b834ccd8ecc89f8068c.gif) ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/413 "2022-11-20T20:48:01Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > Lol can we ban this dude? ISD Traindriver Does he work for you? I don’t think so. What did I say that wasn’t true? > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > CCP Falcon that wasn’t afraid He was literally afraid of his own shadow. At least he had cats to protect him… * * * ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/414 "2022-11-20T21:13:43Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > What did I say that wasn’t true? Followed straight up by: > [@x123xxx](#): > > He was literally afraid of his own shadow The only thing literal, is that literally the sentence after you asked what did you say that wasn’t true, you followed it with a sentence that wasn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/415 "2022-11-20T21:27:38Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > you followed it with a sentence that wasn’t true. I disagree. There are facts and there are obvious opinions. You should be able to tell the difference, especially when someone’s being sarcastic. Is this the way you argue in real life? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/416 "2022-11-20T21:33:02Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > I disagree. There are facts and there are obvious opinions There was nothing literal about the statement. It was opinion and not literally the case. Hence untrue. Even as opinion it’s a bit weird (and creepy to be fixated like that). Seems more that it was just a dig at Falcon, not that you have an opinion that he is scared of his own shadow. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/417 "2022-11-20T22:02:34Z")
Picking everything apart is easy. Have fun with that. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/418 "2022-11-20T22:13:04Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Picking everything apart is easy. Only when people make it easy; and then ask the questions. Nothing wrong with answering them. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/419 "2022-11-20T23:10:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Gankers don’t create advice threads, they create bait threads. None of the AG threads posted by gankers contain any helpful information, just deeply flawed theorycrafting to pretend that ganking isn’t overpowered carebear PvP. Nice _opinion_ you got there 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/420 "2022-11-21T00:25:33Z")
Opinions can only be valid if the topic is not fact. For instance, your opinion cannot be that the earth is flat, because it is fact that the earth is round. Same thing with eve. Your opinion cannot be that alpha ganking is a problem because it is fact that it is not. Same with the “Aiko alts”. I know Aiko personally, they don’t bombard the forums with alts. In fact, I would presume YOURE the one bombarding the forum with alts, considering we have a 20 post rant going because of a character, with alt in the name, derailing. I get it. Great joke. You successfully cried until the game is completely dead. Could you get a life and stop please? So when you say “alpha ganking is a problem” you’re not stating your opinion, you’re lying. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/422 "2022-11-21T00:46:09Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > I know Aiko personally, they don’t bombard the forums with alts Singular or plural? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=20)