# Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448 "2022-06-18T21:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/21 "2022-06-18T22:20:15Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Why not 1 more? Because the game is a fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment game. Limiting pvp for any character is a nerf that takes the game one more step towards oblivion. We don’t need more nerfs to the game. There’s been more than enough already. Also, you are arguing to limit alphas, based on the play of characters that on the surface of it, are on Omega accounts. It’s an idiotic argument without any evidence of what you are crying about (not for the first time). ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/22 "2022-06-18T22:22:23Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > I just want fair game. Fair for whom? You? Because locking alphas from pvp would hurt quite a few people in my corp that pvp with rifters on alpha accounts. Locking out the safety switch on alpha accounts would hurt a number of high sec players that like to hunt down abandoned mtu’s and clean them up. Bro, I get it. An alpah scrub used 5 rocks to smash your crappy unprotected rock. But trying to ban them from having rocks or using them in the first place? No, I think what you mean by fair, is having an “I WIN” button. A feature that I have suggested and advocated in the past. A feature that ensures you win, and CCP makes a nice little profit off of you. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/23 "2022-06-18T22:25:12Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Who will pay a monthly omega fee to 5 accounts to gank people in hisec? Lots of people, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/24 "2022-06-18T22:27:22Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Fair for whom? You? For all. I’m ok with ganking. But not ok with consequnce balance. Victim lost x10, 20, 30, etc. times more, criminal lost penny ship and 15 minutes. I’m really not want to compare IRL, but imagine if violence crimes would be punished with just 1 or 2 weekd of forced labor? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/25 "2022-06-18T22:28:34Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > For all. You should try being honest for once. So, I’ll ask again. Who exactly are you trying to make this fair for? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/26 "2022-06-18T22:28:59Z")
Just report them if it really is 1 person multi boxing 5 alpha accounts he is going against EULA and will get punished for it. If not then nothing will happen to them. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/27 "2022-06-18T22:30:38Z")
He’s not looking for a fair game, he wants to be left alone mining by trying to convince people there’s something bannable going on. A) he doesn’t know if they are alpha or not B) he doesn’t know if it’s multiboxing or not He simply assumes the combination that gives him the best chance to convince people. Also, it’s Raven so you should know by now he’s full of stupid. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/28 "2022-06-18T22:30:40Z")
Another thd to merge… ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/29 "2022-06-18T22:46:09Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > A) he doesn’t know if they are alpha or not It’s true. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > B) he doesn’t know if it’s multiboxing or not To much sync in actions to be a different players. At least for what i saw today. But i also saw clearly 2-3 different players ganks before. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/30 "2022-06-18T22:49:55Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > To much sync in actions to be a different players. Can the new fleet formation sys be this cause? I have no experience with it. ---
**Author:** ![Ursula\_Anders](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ursula_anders/32/331878_2.png) [@Ursula\_Anders](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ursula_Anders)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/31 "2022-06-18T23:19:57Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Can the new fleet formation sys be this cause? Members in fleet warp within seconds of each other. Can easily be mistaken for multinoxer. What I’d like to know is why he thinks the game should be fair. Also, I seriously doubt CCP would nerf Alphas. This was an entertaining Gank thread. Thanks to all participants. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/32 "2022-06-18T23:26:45Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > To much sync in actions to be a different players. Fleet warp and activation of modules while in warp. It’s possible both for players that are multiboxing and for multiple player together in a fleet. It’s actually easier for multiple players, since they all just target once each, which can look very synched with small gang fleets. Once a multiboxing player goes above a half dozen accounts, it’s difficult to get the targeting at similar times. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/33 "2022-06-18T23:38:06Z")
> [@Ursula\_Anders](#): > > What I’d like to know is why he thinks the game should be fair. hu·man na·ture _noun_ 1. the general psychological characteristics, feelings, and behavioral traits of humankind, regarded as shared by all humans. “he had a poor opinion of human nature” 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/34 "2022-06-18T23:44:41Z")
i will be hardcore frank here most people have Loss aversion bias ![7134c2c3-1b3c-439a-beea-d7cd1d96ae79_599x469](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/f/a/0fa7f02e7d4cd86012940c07bc8e79b31b4d2193.png) as you can see in this chart that means that even in a brutal game like EVE the great majority of the players are bitches the few who are not probably have gambling problems ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/35 "2022-06-18T23:51:51Z")
I gambled CCP would improve EVE. 😒 ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/36 "2022-06-19T00:39:32Z")
He’s just talking trash because he’s mad. You need serious zkillboard analysis to take a good guess if they are alts, summed to log check to see if they are alphas. Alts don’t play alone, and alphas can’t apply the same damage omegas do. It’s easier to be less salty and just report to CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/37 "2022-06-19T01:07:58Z")
> [@Adm\_Malkaviano](#): > > alphas can’t apply the same damage omegas do. They alpply enough since T2 guns is avaliable. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/38 "2022-06-19T02:00:49Z")
> [@Adm\_Malkaviano](#): > > You need serious zkillboard analysis to take a good guess if they are alts, summed to log check to see if they are alphas. > > Alts don’t play alone, and alphas can’t apply the same damage omegas do. Since there is no combat time on zkillboard(or did i miss it?), overall and for each person involved, we cant figure it from raw damage done. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/39 "2022-06-19T02:03:35Z")
You need to activate the most ■■■■ EVE feature, logs. It’s so shitty some people don’t even know they exist. An alpha can’t have max skills and their output is reduced, so they need numbers. No matter just report to CCP, if it’s alpha multibox they will deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/40 "2022-06-19T02:06:43Z")
Also, i’m not against ganking or alphas. I just expect that price for such actions same or more as for their victims. Loosing 12 mil catalyst and 15 min crime status is nothing compare to loose even 200 mil ship which you train a month or two and then grind a week for it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=3)