# Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448 "2022-06-18T21:39:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/41 "2022-06-19T02:44:55Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > he doesn’t know if they are alpha or not That, right there. Alphas can’t run multiple accounts anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Adm\_Malkaviano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adm_malkaviano/32/496610_2.png) [@Adm\_Malkaviano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adm_Malkaviano)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/42 "2022-06-19T02:52:06Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > That, right there. Alphas **aren’t permitted** to run multiple accounts anyway. I had to fix it for you, it’s not permitted, possible? sure. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/43 "2022-06-19T03:05:36Z")
Correction, accepted. Yes they are not permitted. ---
**Author:** ![Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syeed_ameer_ali/32/411549_2.png) [@Syeed\_Ameer\_Ali](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syeed_Ameer_Ali)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/44 "2022-06-19T03:08:13Z")
It took 5 characters to gank 1 hulk and still the miners complain. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/45 "2022-06-19T03:19:28Z")
I wonder if Mr Raven 101 is related to Raven x1? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/46 "2022-06-19T03:32:48Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Go play a different one then. EVE doesn’t represent itself as fair. Well, I have to disagree with Scipio on this point -Eve is fair. In fact, one of it’s guiding principles was, “harsh, but fair.” And if any part of that is in doubt, it’s the “harsh” part. Other than that, good post. Now, to OP: You come in here making accusations without evidence, and then demand action be taken. Well, ganking isn’t the problem (or whaling for that matter). It’s players like you. Ganking is already balanced heavily in favor of prey, but rather than put forth the effort to learn how to not get ganked, you demand that your enemies be nerfed. And so, we end up with broken risk to reward ratios, play styles getting nerfed further and further into the ground, and all the challenge being sucked out of what was supposed to be a challenging game. Eve online is indeed plagued by a… erm, plague. However, it isn’t alpha gankers, whalers, gate campers, war deckers, or any of the other player killers that have been vilified over the years. It’s the whinebears that perpetually ask for one more nerf. > [@Nerf Ganking Megathread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/nerf-ganking-megathread/299004): > > Okay. Someone proposes a nerf to suicide ganking (or getting rid of it entirely) about twice a month. Rather than keep saying the same things over and over again, I figured I’d just create a catch all thread. > > > **Myth: Suicide ganking is unbalanced in favor of the gankers.** > > > > False. It is unbalanced, but actually in favor of prey. In fact, game mechanics stack the deck so heavily against suicide ganking, that sustainable ganking is entirely dependent on prey making at least one mistake, if not mor… ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/47 "2022-06-19T03:44:40Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > I’m ok with ganking. > But… There it is!!! Was waiting for it. Was not disappointed. It’s funny how everyone who says, “I don’t have a problem with ganking, but” immediately follow it up with proposals to nuke the play style. It’s eve online’s equivalent of, “I’m not a racist, but…” ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/48 "2022-06-19T04:00:53Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > Well, I have to disagree with Scipio on this point -Eve is fair. In fact, one of it’s guiding principles was, “harsh, but fair.” And if any part of that is in doubt, it’s the “harsh” part. ![Equality](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/6/c/06c668dd937667dfa4b2a921037396fb1350ecfd.png) ---
**Author:** ![Duo\_Roman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duo_roman/32/379186_2.png) [@Duo\_Roman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duo_Roman)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/49 "2022-06-19T13:12:58Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Victim lost x10, 20, 30, etc. times more, criminal lost penny ship and 15 minutes. That is why EVE is considered not a pay to win game. If what you wish were true then whoever spent most ISK would win a fight and the game would be just another trash game. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/50 "2022-06-19T13:34:13Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > carte-blanche for mayhem without consequences Yeah ! Where do I sign up ? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Raven\_101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_raven_101/32/383465_2.png) [@Mr\_Raven\_101](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Raven_101)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/51 "2022-06-19T16:57:48Z")
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**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/52 "2022-06-19T17:05:49Z")
I already have an alpha account for my super sekret alt. That I use for doing “things.” ---
**Author:** ![Shilliam\_Watner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shilliam_watner/32/358077_2.png) [@Shilliam\_Watner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shilliam_Watner)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/54 "2022-06-19T19:38:14Z")
> [@Mr\_Raven\_101](#): > > Just seen a ‘great’ picture today: > 5 capsules with similar names and crime status docking at station, than undock in stock coverttes, died from concord and warp off. > I’ve check zkillboard and… > [Hulk | MechanicusDoc | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/101572546/) > **~57k EHP Exhumer just died to ganker who drive 5 alpha clones** on a dumb cheap 12 mil catalysts. > And related to their killboard - he’s repeating this all the time every day. > So what he’s punishment? 15 min crime status? Nice joke, CCP 🤣 🤣 🤦‍♂️ > > **Alphas should be banned from PvP in hi-sec.** Cuz obviously nobody doin PvP in hi-sec, but current limitations give such people carte-blanche for mayhem without consequences. > > A lot of mesures was offerd so i just repeat most popular again. > > - Block safety switch for **alpha clones.** > - Add cumulative crime status timer. > > You CCP doing so much updates in everything from industry to mining and ship rebalance but cant make such simple change for years… As the owner of those 5 accounts, rest assured they are all omega. It’s some leap of logic to assume they are alpha accounts. On what basis does that premise rest? If you see five gankers operating in tandem, shouldn’t Occam’s Razor lead you to the simplest conclusion, that they are omega? ---
**Author:** ![Landeskog\_Salvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/landeskog_salvo/32/387471_2.png) [@Landeskog\_Salvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Landeskog_Salvo)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/55 "2022-06-19T19:44:43Z")
Eve is a GIANT universe. Players should move their operation to a system that hasn’t seen a Gank in like forever, there is plenty use this tool [https://evemaps.dotlan.net/](https://evemaps.dotlan.net/) Adapt, improvise, Overcome, It’s not hard. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/56 "2022-06-19T20:57:35Z")
> [@Landeskog\_Salvo](#): > > Adapt, improvise, Overcome, It’s not hard. You’re not taking into account the latest generation of gamers. ![entitlement](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/6/f/b6fcdb1b4f6d666a0431912f4807079def8bbee4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Gloveless\_Proctologist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_gloveless_proctologist/32/321871_2.png) [@The\_Gloveless\_Proctologist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Gloveless_Proctologist)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/57 "2022-06-19T21:44:57Z")
highsec tear bears know not what logic is… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/58 "2022-06-19T22:29:46Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > You’re not taking into account the latest generation of gamers. I keep hearing this, but literally 100% of the whiny carebears I’ve ever been exposed to are middle-aged or older. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/59 "2022-06-19T22:50:52Z")
I won’t argue with you, so I’ll give a 50/50. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/60 "2022-06-19T23:41:11Z")
Terrible association because the Feral Boomerang Kid never when into the city looking for heads to crack. He was part of a tribe of children from the crashed airplane that stuck together and hid from the more powerful dregs that roamed the land. Eve Online isn’t an apocalyptic event either, so ganker’s going around cracking ships because of X reason based on an apocalyptic view point is irrelevant. Ganker’s are simply Wreck Em Ralph players who take in the modules they loot, sell them and then pay for free Omega accounts with the revenue they have pirated. If you really want to get into the game, start tracking where the gankers have their Planetary Infrastructure located gank their PI haulers and make their accountants be neutralized by the gankers superiors. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/61 "2022-06-19T23:50:19Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > gank their PI haulers I like this guy! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448.md?page=4)