# Alphas and Free to Play **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 5, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046 "2025-02-05T15:40:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/182 "2025-02-09T15:26:26Z")
That too. Though if you’re having to eject from one, you’ve more than likely lost it anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/183 "2025-02-09T15:27:14Z")
You can eject from it to give it to an alt if you can’t trade it nor contract it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Angewoman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/angewoman/32/425566_2.png) [@Angewoman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Angewoman)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/184 "2025-02-09T15:27:56Z")
Nah fam, eject=self destruct ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/185 "2025-02-09T15:39:42Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > Someone, somewhere, is paying for it. In this case, those ships cost you the price of your Omega sub. Your Omega access is the cost of your sub. The ships are free. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/186 "2025-02-09T15:40:37Z")
That’s like saying your taxes are the cost of your healthcare, but the healthcare is free… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/187 "2025-02-09T15:40:58Z")
Somewhere someone is paying for it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/188 "2025-02-09T15:53:40Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > That’s like saying your taxes are the cost of your healthcare, but the healthcare is free There’s only one EVE, but there are around 180 countries with a different version of healthcare in each. Everything from literally free, “free”, private, Semi private, etc. Then there’s the station of citizen in each country as to what type of health care they are afforded. If you want to narrow it down to one country along with a synopsis of the system used for the people who don’t live there, it might be better. Or just find a better analogy. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/189 "2025-02-09T15:56:56Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Everything from literally free If you know of a single country where the doctors work for free, the hospital buildings were built for free, the electricity water and heat to those buildings are free, and the medicine and equipment costs exactly nothing to produce, then let me know and I’ll gladly buy a one-way ticket… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/190 "2025-02-09T16:04:15Z")
How about this: in EVE, you pay for it - one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/192 "2025-02-09T16:05:18Z")
Let’s not turn this into a healthcare debate, ok? Free\* is the only word in the English dictionary that should come with an asterisk. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/193 "2025-02-09T16:06:09Z")
Agreed. Fortunately, EVE doesn’t operate on the above mentioned principle… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/194 "2025-02-09T16:10:21Z")
My bad for mentioning anything remotely political, especially on this forum… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/195 "2025-02-09T16:10:44Z")
Case-in-point: I’m moving some processed minerals for “free” right now instead of paying a 5% (est.) hauling fee. It’s taken me about 30 minutes to make the 3-4 required trips, during which time I probably could’ve made 50-100m ISK. All to save 5% on roughly 150m ISK (~7.5m). Arguably it probably did arrive faster than on contract… So did I really haul this for “free”? Or did it cost me 32.5-92.5m ISK for thinking it was “free”? All so I could be semi-afk and check up on my various threads in the forums. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/196 "2025-02-09T16:17:48Z")
That’s in the realm of sunk costs, which is an entirely different conversation. Fortunately for me, I’m in a position that, other than the cost of my Omega sub, it costs me nothing other than time to just sit here and play. I literally have all the time in the world to play whenever I want, even at work, as I am doing right now. There’s no sunk cost, because there isn’t anything else I could be doing right now anyway. I’m on a two-week long job in the middle of nowhere with nothing better to do. The only other things I could be doing are sleeping or rubbing one out to Blanche from the Golden Girls… ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/197 "2025-02-09T16:22:06Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > So did I really haul this for “free”? Does it really matter? Not to me. I just play for fun. If it pleases me to haul something myself, I don’t do a cost/benefit analysis before undocking. Same as for anything else I do in game. I hate mining, so I buy minerals. I hate hauling crap from Jita to Amarr, so I pay someone else to do it. I don’t like salvaging all the crap from missions, so I leave it for someone else. If I feel like it that day, I’ll sell to buy orders. Is it less efficient? Am I losing ISK? Don’t know, don’t care. Max efficiency is not why I play the game. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/198 "2025-02-09T17:54:00Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > You’re nitpicking over semantics - I can’t really help you with that. No…I’m calling out the utterly _dishonest_ use of language that people _deliberately_ sneak in and then pretend is just semantics… ‘_Everyone agrees with me_’…when in fact just 2 people agreed. ‘_What Is Causing EVE To Die ?_’…a loaded question that assumes that it _is_ actually dying. ’ _Are Wardecs Always Going To Be Broken ?_'…yet another loaded question that assumes they _are_. ‘_Why Is Everyone Multiboxing So Much Now ?_’…gosh, there’s that ‘everyone’ again ! ‘_he’s frantically trying to change the subject_’…never mind that the person being referred to is the one who _raised_ the specific subject in the first place ! Words _do_ matter. Only those trying to insert a dishonest thread title or response argue otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/199 "2025-02-09T18:10:38Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > So did I really haul this for “free”? There is no ‘free’. There is always a cost somewhere, either in time or to someone else. ‘Free To Play’ is ultimately being subsidised to some degree by those who do actually pay. The whole ’ I PLEX my account’ thing ultimately depends on other people buying PLEX to sell for ISK. The irony being that a portion of those who do so also whine about ‘Pay To Win’ and wallet warriors. Even on the subject of overpowered ‘free’ ships, nah…they are not really ‘free’ are they. And of course the **real** reason people complain is that every free ship detracts from someone’s profit selling over-priced not-free ships. Eh ? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/200 "2025-02-10T13:42:36Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > So you undock in totally unfitted ships ? Ya know…it might be handy to have some guns, and shield, and MWD, and stuff…lol. Once again I’m arguing with people who seem to be skilled to Dishonest Arguing Level V. I think @Aisha_Katalen is posting an alt account to hide a killboard for the great number of ships he’s lost due to never putting guns on them. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/201 "2025-02-10T13:50:02Z")
It’s official. I know what we need to do. Everyone (except Gloria) is determined to prove that the Gnosis is very overpowered despite it requiring no ship skills. The solution is clear- Nerf it into the ground so that no one will want to fly it. Nerf it so that it’s slightly more powerful than a combat fit Venture. That’s the solution. All Conscious Thought ships need to be nerfed and that will end this entire debate. Every Alpha ship should be undesirable and disposable. Task has been set and everyone will be happy. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/202 "2025-02-10T13:54:24Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > It’s official. I know what we need to do. Well, you’re one up on me - I have no idea what to do. Other than it seems odd to allow Alphas to have access to a fully-skilled ship with no prerequisites. Maybe just restrict Alphas as follows: • No more access to Concord, Edencom, Pirate Faction or SoCT ships Some of these may be redundant, but I only see Triglavian ships specifically excluded. CCP can still give out the free SoCT ships, they can still be sold - just that Alphas will no longer have access to them. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046.md?page=11)