# Alphas and Free to Play **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 5, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046 "2025-02-05T15:40:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/263 "2025-02-11T16:09:16Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > That whole line is too good. It would be different if the (current) SoCT hulls were limited to Omegas. As has been suggested, cap Alphas at T1 hulls - no Faction (of any kind), T2 or T3. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/264 "2025-02-11T16:10:35Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > After all, there isn’t much to discuss in my opinion. A BS with freaking 21 slots (!!!), full SP-free Boni on _all_ weapon systems, enough PG and CPU to fit multiple Ancillary SBs or a complete capless-damage profile - with a free scanning bonus on top is simply not in good balance with all the other available T1 alternatives. It’s absolutely obvious that this is too much power for such a cheap hull. Look through the list of Praxis solo kills and it is literally page after page after page of frigates, destroyers, Ventures, pods, and other Praxis. Scary stuff ! Massively overpowered ship…killing pods and frigates ! I waded through 10 pages of Apocalypse losses and _could not find a single one_ where there’s a solo kill by a Praxis. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/265 "2025-02-11T16:11:27Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > I waded through 10 pages of Apocalypse losses and _could not find a single one_ where there’s a solo kill by a Praxis. It’s entirely possible they’re primarily utilized for PvE. Which doesn’t change the fact that for what they are - they’re OP. There are many hulls used mainly for PvE… Look - I didn’t even realize the SoCT battleship had that many slots… ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/266 "2025-02-11T16:17:07Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Look - I didn’t even realize the SoCT battleship had that many slots… And they use it for mining, of all things… ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/267 "2025-02-11T16:17:30Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > And they use it for mining, of all things… Stranger things have happened, I guess… ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/268 "2025-02-11T16:18:05Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > That’s not accurate. I was recently in a giant fleet of nothing but Rohks. Ask Gloria. She was there. She was in the adjoining fleet of Ferox ships. Yes I was there and confirm, but heck…this is EVE forums, where actually **being there** and having direct experience takes second place to our intellectual Lord And Masters in their ivory towers and their all seeing Eye Of Sauron that is powered by psionic BS and never needs to undock. Know your place ! ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/269 "2025-02-11T16:18:42Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > all seeing Eye Of Sauron You shall not pass! But the SoCT ships are still OP. If they could be manufactured, we’d probably see them utilized in quite a few more roles than they currently are. If CCP stopped handing the SoCT ships out annually the price would slowly creep up until they were cost prohibitive for what they offer. At which point some enterprising individuals would probably buy up all the supply to speculate. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/270 "2025-02-11T16:24:33Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > If they could be manufactured Ah…then Mr Epeen and Co would be welcoming them and r̶i̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ o̶f̶f̶ charging people a completely fair cost like they do with other battlecruisers. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/271 "2025-02-11T16:25:31Z")
PvP is fair game in industry, trading and markets. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/272 "2025-02-11T16:28:19Z")
Sure, but then isn’t that the REAL issue here. Notice how its the traders whining most about SOCT ships here, not the PvP-ers. They dislike SOCT ships because they can’t screw people out of ISK as much as they can with other ships…all the ‘OP’ stuff is just a diversion as few of them ever undock and are never likely to even meet an SOCT ship…lol. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/273 "2025-02-11T16:28:54Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Mr Epeen and Co would be welcoming them and r̶i̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ o̶f̶f̶ charging people a completely fair cost like they do with other battlecruisers. Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/274 "2025-02-11T16:30:15Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Notice how its the traders whining most about SOCT ships here, not the PvP-ers. You have some evidence to back up that lie? Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/275 "2025-02-11T16:32:01Z")
I’m not a trader, and I’m not “whining” about them. I’m just pointing out that they’re OP. Which any reasonable person would admit just looking at the stats. But hey, CCP gives them out for free or earned as rewards - and players can turn around and sell them for ISK - so everyone’s happy. Never mind that the last time CCP bundled “free” ships with packages there was a fire sale on pitchforks and torches, but what do I know… Give away free ships to players = ok. Give away free ships in cash bundles = not ok. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/276 "2025-02-11T16:32:07Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > You have some evidence to back up that lie? Hey…I’m not the one who posted the pic with 20,000 ships in doc. I doubt they are all for your own personal use. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/277 "2025-02-11T16:35:28Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Hey…I’m not the one who How is that evidence of: > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Notice how its the traders whining most about SOCT ships here, not the PvP-ers. Try again. Or stop making ■■■■ up. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/278 "2025-02-11T16:38:00Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Ah, NOW it makes sense Oh youre going to troll as if Gloria set that up? No that was set up that way by the head of the alliance. We didnt assign ships. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/279 "2025-02-11T16:38:05Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Or stop making ■■■■ up. You mean like fleets never being composed of just one ship ? _That_ sort of making stuff up ? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/280 "2025-02-11T16:40:14Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > You mean like fleets… How is that evidence of: > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Notice how its the traders whining most about SOCT ships here, not the PvP-ers. If you can’t justify your hyperbole, don’t post it. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/282 "2025-02-11T16:53:48Z")
How is an ad hominem attack evidence of: > [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Notice how its the traders whining most about SOCT ships here, not the PvP-ers. I might start a contest. How many dodge posts will gloria pile up before actually answering the simple question? Only one hundred thousand ISK per guess. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/283 "2025-02-11T17:48:55Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > If you can’t justify your hyperbole, don’t post it. When did that ever stop _you_ ? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046.md?page=15)