# Alphas and Free to Play **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 5, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046 "2025-02-05T15:40:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/304 "2025-02-12T13:18:46Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Lol…its really quite funny when you can’t spot your own massive contradictions. Nah, there is no contradiction. It only shows that a) the Gnosis has too many slots, because you can fit 2 scripted Sensorboosters on it and _still_ have all the tackle and application and lowslots for damage you need to kill smaller ships. I mean, a dual Sebo-Gnosis has a ScanReso of 913mm, which means it locks faster than most frigates. And you _still_ can fit it with Scram, Dualweb, Propmod and close to 1.000 DPS to absolutely _obliterate_ any smaller ship once tackled. b) you are the one with a personal gain from the current OP status of the SoCT ships because it is _proven_ that you are using at least one excessively. Explaning your enthusiasm to argue against a nerf that is clearly justified by _objective_ stats. c) that you have little to no real combat experience, given the facts that you barely leave highsec at all and if you “fight”, you engage only targets that either can’t beat your Gnosis or you one-tap ships that are getting concorded anyway within a few seconds. Making your opinion about _any_ PvP balance completely invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/305 "2025-02-12T13:24:48Z")
Wait… > [@Syzygium](#): > > a) the Gnosis has too many slots, because you can fit 2 scripted Sensorboosters on it and _still_ have all the tackle and application and lowslots for damage you need to kill smaller ships. Let me read that again… > [@Syzygium](#): > > and _still_ have all the tackle and application and lowslots for damage you need to kill smaller ships. So… it’s over powered because this battlecruiser can kill smaller ships like Frigates and Corvettes and Shuttles… an argument you made earlier: > [@Syzygium](#): > > With this OP ship, you have “killed” only 1 ship of equal size (Combat Battlecruiser), which in fact was a whoring kill, as it was a criminal which would have died to CONCORD anyway (CONCORD is on the mail), so all you have done was firing a single shot at him. The Majority of all “kills” are Shuttles, Corvettes and Capsules. So you are upset that the Gnosis is able to blow up tiny ships… Well! Stop the press! A ship that can be used to kill things smaller than itself! So your entire argument is that this ship needs to be nerfed so that even a T1 Frigate can win in a 1v1. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/306 "2025-02-12T13:42:36Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > So your entire argument is that this ship needs to be nerfed so that even a T1 Frigate can win in a 1v1. Got it. Skill “content understanding” to at least level II, please. Nobody ever said that. A Harbinger, Prophecy, Hurricane, Cyclone, Ferox, Drake all have about 650 Scanreso with _two_ scripted Sebos. Compared to a Gnosis with 913. And the Armor BCs have only _one_ slot left for tackle/application after fitting them\*, while the Shield BCs severly cripple their tank for doing it. The point is that BCs usually have a _disadvantage_ against small and fast ships because those can either warp away (hard to tackle) or avoid damage / control range against the larger ship. The Gnosis simply ignores all that. It locks insanely fast, has an ultra-hard tackle (Scram, 2 Webs) AND enough slots left to fit a _full combat fit_. \*okay, Myrm has two, still one less than the Gnosis and in additon one less High. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/307 "2025-02-12T13:59:26Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > A Harbinger, Prophecy, Hurricane, Cyclone, Ferox, Drake all have about 650 Scanreso with _two_ scripted Sebos. Compared to a Gnosis with 913. I have not seen a single fit that gives a Gnosis 913 DPS. All the fits I’ve seen are below 500- even the PvP fits. Besides- a Catalyst can achieve 1200 DPS. Yes- a Catalyst and not even a Navy faction one. It’s an Alpha ship and only costs 15m to buy and fit. Doesn’t that bother you? A T1 Catalyst that costs 15m to buy and fit getting 1,200 DPS that can be flown by Alphas? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/308 "2025-02-12T14:13:24Z")
ok guy, learn “Reading I” first. Seriously, nobody here has talked about DPS. You seem to have not even understood what I was talking about. SCANRESO isn’t DPS. SCANRESO is your ability to tackle fast, especially small and agile ships that usually are designed for escaping your bigger and more powerful ship. If you don’t even understand this, why the heck do you keep discussing with people who do? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/309 "2025-02-12T14:14:28Z")
Fairt enough. Scan res. But still, Gnosis do crap DPS. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/310 "2025-02-12T14:16:17Z")
…back to business. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/311 "2025-02-12T14:17:08Z")
I did. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/312 "2025-02-12T14:28:52Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Fairt 🤔 🤭 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/313 "2025-02-12T16:01:29Z")
The SoCT ships most likely won’t be rebalanced and the method of distribution probably won’t change (much). So this entire discussion is probably academic in nature. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/314 "2025-02-12T17:04:12Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > b) you are the one with a personal gain from the current OP status of the SoCT ships because it is _proven_ that you are using at least one excessively. Lol…this just gets funnier. Cop : ’ Step away from the Gnosis…Gloria !’ Gloria : ’ What am I being charged with ?’ Cop : 'Excessive use of a Gnosis. It is now a felony under state law ’ ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/315 "2025-02-12T17:11:10Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > that you have little to no real combat experience, given the facts that you barely leave highsec at all and if you “fight”, you engage only targets that either can’t beat your Gnosis or you one-tap ships that are getting concorded anyway within a few seconds. Making your opinion about _any_ PvP balance completely invalid. That’s odd. Two of my older chars have _nothing but_ kills in lowsec and null. You DO realise Gloria is a largely experimental noob who only started fully skilling 6 months ago ? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/316 "2025-02-12T17:29:14Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > Two of my older chars have _nothing but_ kills in lowsec and null Links or you’re full of ■■■■. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/317 "2025-02-12T17:37:58Z")
Noo…not gonna cast my pearls before swine. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/318 "2025-02-12T17:43:22Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > No Of course not. Stick with your empty brags. If lying is your thing, then lying is your thing. Makes you look disingenuous in the eyes of the people you are trying to impress, though. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/319 "2025-02-12T18:49:53Z")
You mistake me for someone who cares. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/320 "2025-02-12T19:05:53Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > You mistake me for someone who cares If you didn’t care about how you are percieved on in the forum, you wouldn’t currently be one of the most prolific posters in here. You beg for affirmation and lash out when you don’t get it. I think it does bother you when you reflect on your behavior in some of your more lucid moments. Wallowing in rage all day is not a healthy lifestyle. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/321 "2025-02-12T19:53:52Z")
Gloria, he’s just jealous that you undock. Ol Pen hasn’t undocked since 2008. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/322 "2025-02-12T19:56:01Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Wallowing in rage all day is not a healthy lifestyle. Then stop it. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2025, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046/323 "2025-02-13T03:06:08Z")
> [@Srima\_Darkstar](#): > > the alphas, acting like they are here for free. If you paid out 1 year, The alphas are here to be abused. You should have been here for the 2 day downtimes. 2 days lost was nothing. Meh… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alphas-and-free-to-play/476046.md?page=17)