# Alternatives to the tengu/rattle for 10/10 serp shipyards? **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Tags:** pve\ **Created:** [March 17, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602 "2018-03-17T21:07:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Katarah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarah/32/57259_2.png) [@Katarah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarah)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/1 "2018-03-17T21:07:18Z")
I’m currently running primarily serpentis Havens in my VNI and have been selling my Serpentis shipyard escalations, but would like to try and actually run them. I have been proposed tengu fits by most people, but since I have 0 skills in both caldari and missiles that would take ages, so I was hoping someone had suggestions for alternative ships to use? Im not rly sure where to start, and would like to just experiment but investing tons if skill-time just to find out my idea was undoable would suck. Been googling around but cant really find anything that isnt just a tengu guide, or really old guides for battleships. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/2 "2018-03-17T21:27:47Z")
rattle is okeysih. did some and was easy. Be sure to have sentries and mjd, so you can shoot the structure from 70+km; also this will most likely require drone link augmentor strategy is : shoot everything, take middle gate, mjd above the structure, shoot everything, kill structure(will take some time). You can do it with basic drones and rapid heavy but being at 70km prevents it from repairing, so much less time. I think you can be 70km with scripted missile guidance+ drone link.you need to shoot it from 70+ then launch your drones (if your drones engage it it will start repping). First time I did it I did not have the range. used like 10 clips to shoot it . Btw you will get webbed a lot, if you are not your drones are and will take big damage. take some spare drones. If you need to travel, prepare a scout. Then prepare mjd+MWD+cloak + WCS for MWD cloak if no bubble, MJD cloak if sabre lands on you and you didnt see it in your scout. mobile depot will be mandatory, unless you have citadel in system. ---
**Author:** ![Katarah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarah/32/57259_2.png) [@Katarah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarah)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/3 "2018-03-17T21:53:08Z")
Thanks for the thorough answer! Might have been a bit vague, but was looking for something not a rattle or tengue due to the whole caldari+missiles ^^ Will definitly keep it in mind if I dont find an alternative, the rattle should at least be less time to train than the tengu. ---
**Author:** ![Pur3Bl00D](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pur3bl00d/32/384679_2.png) [@Pur3Bl00D](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pur3Bl00D)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/4 "2018-03-18T16:03:45Z")
Hi Since you are doing serpentis the armageddon navy issue should be another option. I fitted one and will be testing it on a site soon: 3 x Heat sing II Capacitor Power relay II 2 x Armor Thermal Hardeners II Core B type Large Armor repairer Core X Type Large Armor repairer 3 x medium capacitor booster II with cap booster 200 charge 500 MN II MWD 6 x True Sansa Mega pulse laser 2 x Medium energy nosferatu 1 x large nanobot accelerator I 2 x large nanobot accelerator II 5 x Ogre II 5 x vespa EC-600 Might drop 1 of the medium energy nos and replace with 7th true sansa if tank is ok. Given that armor is naturally resistant to thermal and amarr do EM+thermal damage i look forward to testing my fit in action. FYI ---
**Author:** ![Katarah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarah/32/57259_2.png) [@Katarah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarah)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/5 "2018-03-18T20:20:02Z")
Neat idea. The nos are just to help keep cap up for tank right? Very interested in hearing how that works out for you. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/6 "2018-03-18T21:59:08Z")
I dont think this would be good vs ded10 serpentis. first the lasers are less efficient on the serps than eg scourge cruise. or rails. secondly using two armor rep is not really worth it. if you look at [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P2xc87-FtCJtHgkaGIf7MgTguJtUPj6fKZuJi9gcElA/edit?amp;amp;usp=sharing#gid=0](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P2xc87-FtCJtHgkaGIf7MgTguJtUPj6fKZuJi9gcElA/edit?amp;amp;usp=sharing#gid=0) you’ll see that x-type is more efficient than the b-type. you can use a reactive armor hardener thirdly you will need a mjd. ded10 serp will web you up to 60km > **armageddon rail/sentry** > > ``` > [Armageddon, rail n sentry] > Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer > Drone Damage Amplifier II > Armor Kinetic Hardener II > Armor Thermal Hardener II > Drone Damage Amplifier II > Drone Damage Amplifier II > Reactive Armor Hardener > > Large Micro Jump Drive > Republic Fleet Large Cap Battery > Target Painter II > Cap Recharger II > > 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun > 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun > 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun > 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun > 425mm Prototype Gauss Gun > Drone Link Augmentor I > Drone Link Augmentor I > > Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I > Large Processor Overclocking Unit I > Large Capacitor Control Circuit I > > Caldari Navy Warden x5 > > Lead Charge L x2200 > Antimatter Charge L x2000 > > ``` 3 cap mods, 4 tank mods, 3 apply mods. mjd off, use lead+sentries on small fries, then AM+sentries on bigger (once bigger is @40km - further and lead are more efficient). You should have 600 ish ehp/s stable vs serps ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/7 "2018-03-18T22:23:49Z")
I did the Serpentis 10/10 in a Myrmidon. Use 4x Warden and 4x Orge and a mjd. Very easy. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/8 "2018-03-18T22:24:31Z")
> [@Pur3Bl00D](#): > > Since you are doing serpentis the armageddon navy issue …will be the perfect gank magnet. ---
**Author:** ![Katarah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katarah/32/57259_2.png) [@Katarah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katarah)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/9 "2018-03-18T23:36:46Z")
Intriguing, will have to look into that, would be so much easier to skill into. Any chance you would share the fit? ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Davidus\_Eksha](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/davidus_eksha/32/243123_2.png) [@Davidus\_Eksha](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Davidus_Eksha)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/10 "2018-03-28T12:12:01Z")
Ishtar handles it fine. Just need to manage drone aggro. On mobile but Drone link augmentor Pith x large shield booster Pith x thermal Pith x kinetic Republic fleet large battery Dda Dda Dda Dda Tracking link Tracking link Thermal rig Thermal rig Swap flux coils for tracking links as needed for capacitor. Might need an ee-602 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2018, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alternatives-to-the-tengu-rattle-for-10-10-serp-shipyards/63602/11 "2018-06-26T12:12:10Z")
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