# Ammatar Mandate Shipline **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [December 15, 2023, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580 "2023-12-15T03:58:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580/21 "2023-12-16T02:44:30Z")
> [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Neither Mordu’s Legion or the Sister’s of Eve are pirate factions, mordus legion ARE a pirate faction which called more “mercenary” but they still pirates … and now only SOE are special and if you asked me … nobody need this ships ! > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Those factions are minor factions but they ARE factions that stand alone ! ammatar belongs to the amarr! > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > so running two bonuses should be a minor faction thing, not something to add to main empire ships. no … then you can argue that every ship need to have boni from 2 different factions … this only will lead in way more unbalance and result in chaos ! > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Once again, Mordu’s Legion, SOE, ORE, Mordus legion are a mercenary ( pirate ) stand alone faction ! SOE are a humanity organisation ( special thing ) but this can we call as faction because they arent a subfaction ! ORE is a mining corporation ! they have a full reagion to operate so they are a faction ! they were a part of gallente but they seperate from them ! “The **Serpentis** is one of the major pirate factions in EVE. The Serpentis are known for their biochemical expertise and drug business.” - if we want to talk about the serpentis… > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Khanid are also another group they are an own faction ! but they are using amarr ships ! … but if you asked then khanid has more rights to have an own shipline then ammatar ! but as they use amarr ships this is obsolet ! > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Black Eagles - Gallente and the Valklear - Minmatar. never heared of them … im not the “lore dude” but as they are unknown to me sounds like very small factions > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > I do agree that we could use more balance passes on the existing ship lines, but not everyone is going to agree on what that means. Furthermore, new ships make the player base excited, so there will likely never be a time when CCP stops making ships. It’s the same philosophy behind why League of Legends has hundreds of champions or why black desert keeps releasing new characters. > > So it would be better for CCP to get ideas for ships that make sense to add into the game, than some random ideas. yeah ;( thats absolutley correct … im very sad about this fact and there are a lot of great ships out there but nobody use them because of only a few but very strong ships ! > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Just like Moko said here: > > > [@Moko\_Musana](#): > > > > Ammatar has more claim to have it’s own ship line then Triglivians, Edencom, or the Sisters of Eve, and uses classic weapon and ewar mechanics rather then newly invented spool up guns that ignore various basic game mechanics, or multitarget chain lightings. ammatar as a subfaction has no right to have an own shipline ! but i agree that we dont need triglavians ( to strong and unbalanced ) or edencom ( almost useless ) and sister of eve … almost a very strong and unbalanced battleship ! ---
**Author:** ![Eney\_Issier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eney_issier/32/472040_2.png) [@Eney\_Issier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eney_Issier)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580/22 "2023-12-16T06:11:35Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > no need for this because its not a complete faction 😉 they are part of amarr faction ! FOr a change of topic let’s talk about opinionated bovines or mules.😉 To quote the “rules” of this forum section: > - This is for Features and Ideas - not simple requests. > - This is a breeding ground for ideas. If someone has an idea, listen to it. If you don’t like it, think about why. > - Constructive feedback is good. > - Posting “That’s an awful idea,” is not constructive. It is basically a complete faction as it owns space unlike mordu, soe or ore. That the ships are unbalanced is true and I agree here, however that is as a rule a basic issues in the few pvp open or factionalized sandboxes I encountered so far. People are more likely unhappy with something and cry “tit or tat is overpowered and tet or tot is underpowered” than happy and sing “joy, there is joy, in getting wiped by”. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580/23 "2023-12-16T12:22:37Z")
> [@Eney\_Issier](#): > > It is basically a complete faction as it owns space unlike mordu, soe or ore. no they are NOT ! “The **Ammatar Mandate** is a semi autonomous part of [Amarr Empire](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Amarr_Empire). **The Ammatars are part of the Amarr Empire** , but are of [Minmatar](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Minmatar) origin.” [Ammatar Mandate - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Ammatar_Mandate) > [@Eney\_Issier](#): > > That the ships are unbalanced is true and I agree here, however that is as a rule a basic issues in the few pvp open or factionalized sandboxes I encountered so far. People are more likely unhappy with something and cry “tit or tat is overpowered and tet or tot is underpowered” than happy and sing “joy, there is joy, in getting wiped by”. because the imbalance is to strong … before triglavians were implementet we had a way better balance ! after triglavians they buffed marauders and now they are also to strong and unbalanced ! if youre a small group of ppl and you want to have a fight but then they overwhelm you with an heavy armor leshak gank with marauder support then youre only choice is “stay docked” i know leshaks and marauder still have their weaknesses and if you have the manpower you can beat them … ---
**Author:** ![Eney\_Issier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eney_issier/32/472040_2.png) [@Eney\_Issier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eney_Issier)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580/24 "2023-12-16T14:01:19Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > no they are NOT ! > > “The **Ammatar Mandate** is a semi autonomous part of [Amarr Empire](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Amarr_Empire). **The Ammatars are part of the Amarr Empire** , but are of [Minmatar](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Minmatar) origin.” > [Ammatar Mandate - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Ammatar_Mandate) Same wiki: “Today, the Ammatars enjoy a semi-autonomy in their own space and are still embroiled in war with their former Minmatar brethren.” ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580/25 "2023-12-16T14:03:35Z")
and they are still a part of the amarr faction 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rail\_J\_kar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rail_j_kar/32/374429_2.png) [@Rail\_J\_kar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rail_J_kar)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 3:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580/26 "2023-12-17T03:49:27Z")
> [@Eney\_Issier](#): > > “Today, the Ammatars enjoy a semi-autonomy in their own space and are still embroiled in war with their former Minmatar brethren.” Fun fact: If you are Minmatar Militia and go to Ammatar highsec, you will not be attacked by the Ammatar Navy. ---
**Author:** ![Eney\_Issier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eney_issier/32/472040_2.png) [@Eney\_Issier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eney_Issier)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580/27 "2023-12-17T06:17:37Z")
Well both are right here, Ammatar is currently Adishapur fiefdom: > [@](#): > > As governor, Yonis Ardishapur also acts as the commander in chief of the Ammatar military, namely the Ammatar Fleet, a force large enough to keep the mandate’s borders protected and the republic at bay. Consisting mainly of former Imperial Navy service vessels handed down to the mandate after being decommissioned from the empire, the Ammatar Fleet is neither impressive in scale nor technologically sophisticated. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2024, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ammatar-mandate-shipline/432580/28 "2024-03-16T06:18:05Z")
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