# An idea to counter super proliferation **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 15, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386 "2019-07-15T16:57:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Susurrus\_Synaesthesia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/susurrus_synaesthesia/32/338648_2.png) [@Susurrus\_Synaesthesia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Susurrus_Synaesthesia)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/42 "2019-07-16T02:46:48Z")
As much as I might agree with you on certain points, let’s keep the politics bound to EVE 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/43 "2019-07-16T09:53:56Z")
I quite like the idea in that article about the mothership where other ships are based within it inc clones etc. However I do not fly supers and have no idea what else that would “break” (if anything) in the game. BUt he is right in that people will adapt, as they have done for years with any big (or even small) change that has come along to affect their play style they will adapt (or leave altogether). ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/44 "2019-07-16T11:28:22Z")
Would like to see more focused bombs for bombers that do high% damage and super hard to land on anything other than a super/titan, then it would be riskier for these massive coalitions to throw that ■■■■ around like its nothing. Leshaks are nice against capitals but not the answer as capital weapons would just eradicate them in large numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/45 "2019-07-16T11:48:36Z")
> [@Susurrus\_Synaesthesia](#): > > This article [https://imperium.news/why-the-nullsec-blackout-wont-fix-eve/](https://imperium.news/why-the-nullsec-blackout-wont-fix-eve/) on INN highlights some probable problems causing null stagnation. In this vein, I was hoping to start discourse on the subject with a broader audience. Here was my initial suggestion, curious as to the thoughts of the community: > > How about we add another ship that specifically targets and weakens supercapitals while being vulnerable to specific (smaller) subcaps? > > ‘‘Stealth Bombers obviously, Sus’’ you say. Bombers in their current iteration are insufficient for destroying supercaps in a setting of umbrellas and FAX support. You need at least 50 (likely a lot more) to kill a supercap before it cynos in a FAX fleet and this is not probable for small null groups. One such idea would be to make bombers stronger against supers, and supers specifically. Maybe a specific bomb type that does damage against supers alone. > > This may perhaps reduce the amount of supers available (death to supers!) and thus solving a key problem of null sov: you need supers to keep sov, and need sov to make supers. > > The systems are in place, just too weak at the moment. > > Thoughts? How about a special interceptor class ship that targets/hacks specific Supers’ modules and nullifies/destroys them, like reducing its global HP, disabling Fighter Hangar, or something ? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/46 "2019-07-16T11:50:22Z")
Poison gas released into the pods and crew quarters would be swifter. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/47 "2019-07-16T11:51:07Z")
Yea I guess, a structure’s version of “Vulnerable” mode, but for Supers. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/48 "2019-07-16T11:59:43Z")
Also, I say GOODLUCK on nullsec dwellers in putting eyes on every single gate and maintaining an instant 24/7 intel like having local used to … Goodluck indeed … ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/49 "2019-07-16T14:35:05Z")
There is no luck involved. It is just effort. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/50 "2019-07-16T14:38:05Z")
More like shreiking and swearing over comms to some member or renter with a weaker will to do it for them. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/51 "2019-07-16T16:23:36Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > There is no luck involved. It is just effort. You seriosuly think you’ll find enough suckers to do manual 24/7 intel patrol roster for the entire of nullspace ? kek Ok … ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/52 "2019-07-16T16:25:35Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > You seriosuly think you’ll find enough suckers to do manual 24/7 intel patrol roster for the entire of nullspace ? Why the entirety of null-sec? ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/53 "2019-07-16T16:26:25Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Why the entirety of null-sec? Perhaps just the hotspots, but there are so many ways to enter null, you wont be able to have eyes everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/54 "2019-07-16T16:29:19Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > Perhaps just the hotspots, but there are so many ways to enter null, you wont be able to have eyes everywhere. Dude! I don’t live everywhere in Null. I don’t need eyes everywhere. I only need eyes at the gates next to the system I am at that specific moment. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/55 "2019-07-16T16:30:57Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Dude! I don’t live everywhere in Null. I don’t need eyes everywhere. I only need eyes at the gates next to the system I am at that specific moment. and you wont prevent a fleet of dudes parked in system prior to your arrival, cloaked up, ready to rain hell on your ass. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/56 "2019-07-16T16:33:13Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > and you wont prevent a fleet of dudes parked in system prior to your arrival, cloaked up, ready to rain hell on your ass. Or my other thousands of alliance mates already know they are there and shared the knowledge. Are you daft? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/57 "2019-07-16T16:33:53Z")
Have Cynojammers gone away? ---
**Author:** ![Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eadwulf_ronuken/32/378790_2.png) [@Eadwulf\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eadwulf_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/58 "2019-07-16T16:34:34Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > and you wont prevent a fleet of dudes parked in system prior to your arrival, cloaked up, ready to rain hell on your ass. “Hello, Friendly Neighborhood Supercap Umbrella? I’d like to order a hotdrop. Yeah, I’ll light a cyno…” I’m sorry to break this to you, but in nullsec very little has changed. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/59 "2019-07-16T16:45:04Z")
> [@Susurrus\_Synaesthesia](#): > > How about we add another ship that specifically targets and weakens supercapitals while being vulnerable to specific (smaller) subcaps? I’ve been saying this for a while now. DOOMSDAY FRIGATES. They can only fire one shot before burning out, but you can essentially fire a doomsday to a capital or super. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/60 "2019-07-16T17:16:38Z")
No. Give T2 explo frigates the ability to hack supers and disable all their systems for 5 min. After all we having had an explo frigate buff in a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386/61 "2019-07-16T17:17:57Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Or my other thousands of alliance mates already know they are there and shared the knowledge. Are you daft? Sure, and they’ll all be staring at their scout’s screens 24/7 waiting for gateflash, right ? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-idea-to-counter-super-proliferation/175386.md?page=4)