# An interesting idea of ending Minmatar-Amarr conflict **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [November 1, 2017, 3:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666 "2017-11-01T03:19:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/41 "2017-11-01T17:24:04Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > No, what you’ve seen is what an Amarr capsuleer does when he finds out about it, unless you’re talking about more than just Aldrith. Just like you: he’s not in the Navy’s chain of command. He doesn’t know what their orders are. For all their posturing and wealth, Aldrith and Mitara have as much actual influence on the policies of the Empire as a gnat in Luminaire might. I actually am talking about more than just Aldrith. Actually, I wonder what kind of influence those two do have. Lady Admiral Mitara Newelle is a freshly-ennobled Holder. I’m not (at least yet) familiar enough with the workings of Holder politics to know whether that means she’s got an outsized level of influence for a minor Holder (ennobled for cause, so to speak, so, maybe higher?) or whether it’s lesser because she’s sort of entry-level nobility (and Ni-Kunni to boot-- that also could kind of cut either way). Either way she’s been singled out for high honors, so someone’s probably paying attention, for good or ill. More than would usually get paid to a tenth-generation small provincial Holder, I would guess. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/42 "2017-11-01T17:26:18Z")
Why the hell are you people even dignifying Kim’s loaded and biased thread with any response? ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/43 "2017-11-01T17:36:18Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > As for my people… we have every intention of living peacefully with the Empire as neighbors… just as soon as the Empire is willing to live peacefully with us We were… _your people_ decided to break that peace. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Right now, you’re not. _Your people_ have made it so, and frankly, that suits me just fine. > [@Arrendis](#): > > You—you, specifically, Mitara—continue to hold our people as slaves… And I will continue to see that they, and as many as I can afford to support, are Reclaimed as is demanded by the Word and my station. They are being assimilated into _my_ culture, which is that of Amarr, the most righteous and greatest culture in the cluster. > [@Arrendis](#): > > You are a victim of abuse… This is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. I am Lady en Para’nashu Sarum. I am Champion of House Sarum. I am Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris. No, Ms Arrendis, I am not abused, I am Blessed. > [@Arrendis](#): > > go knock up the Empress I won’t believe you do not even understand the basics of procreation. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/44 "2017-11-01T17:52:07Z")
> [@Mitara\_Newelle](#): > > We were… your people decided to break that peace. No. You were not. You have never stopped your aggressions against us. You have never stopped the slave raids. You have never stopped the systematic social, cultural, and even physical rape and abuse of our people. Even your insulting, ridiculous claim of being able to _own_ them, that they are _yours_ is an act of violence and war against us. And you see this as just fine because, as I said: you are a victim yourself. And you know it. But you don’t dare face it. You hide from it. You _cower_ from it, refusing to even contemplate what was done to you, your parents, your cousins, your grandparents. All because they made you feel _special_ by patting you on the head and saying ‘good doggy’. They gave you a shiny diamond collar for wagging your tail and coming when they called. Look at you, clinging desperately to your honors and your titles, as if the treats thrown into your cage by the Amarr mean a _damned_ thing. Go on: _actually_ effect meaningful change. Your claims of authority and standing are as hollow as Kim’s. > [@Mitara\_Newelle](#): > > I won’t believe you do not even understand the basics of procreation. FFS, use a turkey baster. Just an edit to add this: > [@Mitara\_Newelle](#): > > They are being assimilated into my culture, which is that of Amarr, the most righteous and greatest culture in the cluster. If that were true, Mitty, they wouldn’t need to be _enslaved_ to spread it. The very reliance on slavery shows the Amarr culture to be _weak_, promulgated by scared, timid little _rats_ who do not truly have enough faith in the rightness and righteousness of their world view to let it stand on its own without force, without abuse, without intentionally inflicting trauma. And you know it. That’s what the cleansing pits are, after all, remember? Using pain and deprivation to traumatize the ‘sinner’, to effect behavioral change by using the trauma pathways of the mind to ingrain painful and unwelcome associations to behavior that’s perfectly within the bounds of their own society and culture. And if it kills them, well… guess they paid for their sins. Torture. Brainwashing. These aren’t the hallmarks of a strong culture, of people who feel sure of their cultural supremacy. These are the tools of the _weak_, of vicious, spiteful children lashing out because they’re scared that they’ve been caught doing something _bad_ and might get yelled at. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/45 "2017-11-01T18:00:25Z")
> [@Halcyon\_Ember](#): > > Conflating a criminal population not recognised as a legal part of the republic, which the republic makes attempts to deal with, with the republic itself is a disingenuous attempt to muddy the issue. Before barking, read what others write. It was a reference to illegal slave raids by Imperial illegal slavers. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/46 "2017-11-01T18:12:16Z")
What we need to do, is to build a wall between the Minmatar and Amarr areas of space. ---
**Author:** ![Rana\_Ash](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rana_ash/32/374123_2.png) [@Rana\_Ash](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rana_Ash)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/47 "2017-11-01T18:30:47Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > What we need to do, is to build a wall between the Minmatar and Amarr areas of space. Amarr will pay ofcorse > [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > Why the hell are you people even dignifying this stupid ■■■■■’s loaded and biased thread with any response? Bored people I suspect ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/48 "2017-11-01T18:46:09Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > I am a part of the Cartel. > > We are not a part of the Republic. > > Attacking the Republic for the Cartel makes no sense. Just as attacking the Empire for their illegal slaver raids. ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/49 "2017-11-01T18:47:31Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > What we need to do, is to build a wall between the Minmatar and Amarr areas of space. Better around Minmatar space. ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/50 "2017-11-01T18:55:25Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > …of vicious, spiteful children lashing out… This is exactly how we describe you rebellious Matari and the reason the institution is needed. You’re too far removed from God to have the remotest idea what is best for you, and like the good parents we are, we will _still_ do what is best for you which starts with some discipline. …And to those that oversee these communication channels… > [@](#): > > You’ve already replied 3 times to @Arrendis in this particular topic. > > Have you considered replying to other people in the discussion, too? A great discussion involves many voices and perspectives. > > If you’d like to continue your conversation with this particular user at length, send them a personal message. I will reply as often and to whomever I wish. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/51 "2017-11-01T19:12:19Z")
> [@Mitara\_Newelle](#): > > You’re too far removed from God You mean from what the _Amarr_’s book tells you. The one that says ‘obey the Amarr because they’re better than you will ever be, you filthy Fallen’. Get your God to show up and say it to _anyone’s_ face, and maybe we’ll consider it. Until then, Puppy, it’s just another chew-toy they’re tossing in to keep you in the cage. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/52 "2017-11-01T19:15:58Z")
I blame the OP for false advertising. This solution is not interesting. There are already Matari who have taken up slavery; they are called the Angel Cartel and they’re still violent and annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/53 "2017-11-01T19:29:51Z")
I will point out that the Cartel is made up of _all_ races. Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, Minmatar, all are welcome in Utopia. So can you all stop acting like the Cartel is some Minmatar criminal wonderland please? ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/54 "2017-11-01T19:32:06Z")
Majority Minmatar, but overall multicultural and inclusive, band of scum. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/55 "2017-11-01T20:01:13Z")
I do love my Multiculturalism 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/56 "2017-11-01T20:30:41Z")
> [@Lasairiona\_Raske](#): > > Why is it just the Amarr who have to give up owning slaves? Don’t other races own slaves as well? It seems odd to me that one race should have to give up a practice to satisfy another when I’m sure there are Minmatar who own slaves. > > Not saying this because I believe it’s right, just a statement of curiosity. > > To clarify, this is in reference to @Wolfgang_Jannesen 's post. It’s safe to assume that outside of pirates operating in minmatar space, the Minmatar Republic has an extremely abhorrent view of slavery. There are a significant number of charity organizations dedicated to peacefully freeing slaves and groups like the Defiants or the Bloody Hand of Matar that are open freedom fighters. Likewise in the Gallente Federation slavery is strictly outlawed. Human trafficking is a major problem in baguette space, but that’s a massive criminal operation and not at all an indication of how the Gallente Federation feels about slavery. The Caldari have absolutely no history of slavery, even in their premodern history. Of the four biggest factions, the Amarr are the only ones who openly practice slavery. Unless you’re going to start creating new laws for criminal factions that don’t care, the Amarr Empire is the only entity that we can make a social push with. ---
**Author:** ![Mitara\_Newelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mitara_newelle/32/384431_2.png) [@Mitara\_Newelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mitara_Newelle)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/57 "2017-11-01T21:03:24Z")
> [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](#): > > the Amarr Empire is the only entity that we can make a social push with You will fail. But if you must… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/58 "2017-11-01T21:20:52Z")
And this, Aria… this is why I pay for bullets, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/59 "2017-11-01T21:24:37Z")
> [@Mitara\_Newelle](#): > > > [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](#): > > > > the Amarr Empire is the only entity that we can make a social push with > > You will fail. But if you must… Oh I have no doubt that slavery will remain a staple of the Amarr Empire for centuries to come. They’re great at holding on to traditions and slightly updating any tradition that needs changing. Maybe one day they’ll add sweetener to Vitoc in a dramatic shift in their societal view of their slaves. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-interesting-idea-of-ending-minmatar-amarr-conflict/35666/60 "2017-11-01T21:50:33Z")
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