# An NPC Casino **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [August 30, 2019, 3:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695 "2019-08-30T03:08:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/41 "2019-08-31T08:33:13Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > won’t remove the very large pool sitting I did say that the quantity also needs to be reduced… > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > the farmer will just increase his area of operation So there is nobody else they are competing with for these ever decreasing resources (in this scenario)? Odd… All you need to do is look at the monthlies to see where the wealth is and where it’s coming from and it’s not SP injectors…if you have data to refute the MER then please feel free to post it else, off you go.. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/42 "2019-08-31T12:24:34Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Worked before without issue, and Star Trek Online and other games with near official gambling with lockboxes or ingame dabo tables never seem to cause any issues. Do you live under a rock? [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/amp/44736452](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/amp/44736452) > **[Video game firms face prosecution over gambling by children](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/22/video-game-firms-face-prosecution-over-gambling-by-children)** > > MPs told that betting regulator is prepared to take action > **[Gambling: 'loot boxes' in video games could be conditioning children](http://theconversation.com/gambling-loot-boxes-in-video-games-could-be-conditioning-children-107667)** > > Problem gambling among children has gone up, and it’s got everything to do with gambling-like features in video games. Kids gambling in games is very much on the radar for gambling regulators, parents, country leaders and the gamers themselves. The current situation is not sustainable and won’t last. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/43 "2019-09-02T04:57:11Z")
Kids can’t spend money on online games unless their parents enable them, or they buy cards for currency and then are able to spend. And considering that few if any kids play this game, this is something that CCP does not have to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/44 "2019-09-02T05:36:46Z")
You never studied morals did you… ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/45 "2019-09-02T16:32:47Z")
> **['The kids emptied our bank account playing Fifa'](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48908766)** > > Fifa players are purchased in packs but it's impossible to see who is in the pack before payment is made. And it’s not just the real life money that’s the problem. It’s the **behaviour**. > **['Teaching them how to gamble': how video games have shifted to in-game purchases](https://www.smh.com.au/technology/video-games/teaching-them-how-to-gamble-how-video-games-have-shifted-to-in-game-purchases-20190801-p52cvn.html)** > > Australians are spending more than $1 billion a year on virtual items in video games, fuelling a boom in the industry. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/46 "2019-09-02T18:58:30Z")
Plagiarized from SWTOR. -1 ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/47 "2019-09-03T00:53:02Z")
It’s not a question of morals, its a question of discipline. People should not be punished because some parents do not have the discipline to prevent their cards being used, or kids not having the discipline to not gamble. If the game actively tricks children into gambling, that I agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/48 "2019-09-03T00:53:16Z")
Many other games have this. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/49 "2019-09-03T00:54:51Z")
Aye lockboxes can be a pain, and I prefer direct purchase to them. Since this is only a isk to isk/standings casino, it is not equivalent to the other examples, which require currency to play. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/50 "2019-09-03T00:56:48Z")
So then you are for pot stores, liqueur stores, pron shops and bars/clubs being next to elementary schools because F morals, it’s all about me? I guess you also are against cigarette/booze advertising laws too…no? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/51 "2019-09-03T21:05:33Z")
I could care less where those stores are, so long as they don’t sell to minors or those with weak will who are obviously addicted. However the ads are annoying and should be banned, I agree with you there. Either way how does this pertain to the thread topic? ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/52 "2019-09-03T21:44:48Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Either way how does this pertain to the thread topic? Wow…morals. We were talking about morals. If you can’t even keep that straight then there is no point to continue this… ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/53 "2019-09-05T19:25:35Z")
I can argue about morality, however morality has nothing to do with adding an NPC as an isk sink into the game. Activities like forced pvp against someone who does not want it are less moral than this, however we don’t have arguments over the morality of ganking or pvp. How is this different? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/55 "2019-09-05T21:07:12Z")
Thank you for the support Gowa! I agree with your suggestion that the games shouldn’t be too much like gambling, to prevent running afoul of gambling laws. And your argument about morality is excellent, in a game where the lore is very dark, and the rules against scamming and forced fighting basically being non-existent, gambling is not that much of a deal versus say a pokemon mmorpg, which has a lot more children playing than adults. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/56 "2019-09-05T22:54:45Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > I can argue about morality, however morality has nothing to do with adding an NPC as an isk sink into the game. Activities like forced pvp against someone who does not want it are less moral than this, however we don’t have arguments over the morality of ganking or pvp. How is this different? You’re saying pvp in a pvp game is more immoral than offering gambling to kids? Did i just read that? ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 2:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/57 "2019-09-06T02:44:24Z")
Some people don’t like pvp that is not started by them, it is only an example. And be realistic, how many kids play this game? Of those kids, how many will be so addicted to the gambling feature that they will max out their parents credit cards? You think I want mass gambling in eve. All I want is an isk sink, gabling with virtual currency in a way is already a thing. What if a kid gets addicted to the mutaplasmid ‘lottery’, and we read about how he purchased 30 thousand dollars in plex to buy 100 officer modules to ‘enhance’. How immoral is that? ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/58 "2019-09-06T09:21:07Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > And be realistic, how many kids play this game? It’s age rating is 13 iirc (or T for teen?). It doesn’t matter how many actual 13 years olds play, that is it’s rating. That is the standard on which eves features are based. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Of those kids, how many will be so addicted to the gambling feature that they will max out their parents credit cards? Isn’t one more than enough? Why take that risk? Why be the company that brought gambling in a virtual casino to a kids game? Designed it and endorsed it? This goes beyond loot boxes. You’re talking about an actual casino…for kids. For 13 year olds. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > You think I want mass gambling in eve. All I want is an isk sink, gabling with virtual currency in a way is already a thing. What if a kid gets addicted to the mutaplasmid ‘lottery’, and we read about how he purchased 30 thousand dollars in plex to buy 100 officer modules to ‘enhance’. How immoral is that? I kinda agree. Let me see if i can find the thread. > [@CCP fix your abyssal rng](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-fix-your-abyssal-rng/153458): > > Why is it that I spend 4bil to roll and not even 1 out of 20 is all green. Jesus christ CCP. It’s not considered gambling _yet_. But the media are poised to jump on a story like you describe and make predators out of games companies. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/59 "2019-09-10T22:00:28Z")
All valid points, however Star Trek online has much more gambling, both actual with Dabo tables, and close to it, with lockboxes, and they have no media criticism. EVE will also not suffer any issues. Kids are not fools, and if they are foolish enough to gamble in a video game then its the fault of the kid and the parents. The only exception are games that purposely trick children to try and squeeze money out of them, especially games designed for children, which EVE is not. In that case your arguments are all valid. ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/60 "2019-09-11T09:55:32Z")
It is safe to say this isn’t ever going to go anywhere at all. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695/61 "2019-09-12T13:52:02Z")
> **['Ban kids from loot box gambling in games'](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49661870)** > > In-game spending should be regulated by gambling laws and loot boxes banned for children, they say. Literally on bbc news channel right now. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-npc-casino/186695.md?page=4)