# An Open and Honest Letter to CCP from an Alliance Leader **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870 "2022-10-10T20:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 12:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/712 "2022-10-13T12:51:04Z")
Got a link to one? ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/713 "2022-10-13T12:58:51Z")
Yeap, here is a good start, they also talk about Reddit stuff there ```auto https://www.twitch.tv/imperiumnews https://www.twitch.tv/rampageinc ``` Being a bunch of whiney boys is just hurting EVE ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/714 "2022-10-13T13:07:21Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > Dark Shines owns a Molok that the rest of his alliance got together to get him, in secret, to show him how much we appreciate him. He does not need isk. He is the head of The Initiative. If he needed isk all he would need to do was ask members. He has dealt with trillions of isk during his time as alliance leader. I can assure you, his motives are not about personal gain. This does little to deflate the impression of Null being a pampered priority for CCP. > [@Shamen](#): > > His motives are about getting people into space, making nullsec lucrative again so people venture out more. So that space becomes of value and as such, worth fighting over. Null space. He’s using the player count drop (which may have nothing to do with CCP) as cover for an opportunistic attention grab. > [@Shamen](#): > > I’ve known him for many years, and suggesting that he is trying to weasel his way to isk is utterly wrong. If he wanted isk, he could make trillions within a few days without much effort. He doesn’t want that. No, he’s soliciting for dev time which is much more valuable than isk, and he’s doing it at the expense of players that frankly deserve the attention much much more. Believe me, the responses here have been quite restrained considering the well of suppressed rage that this post has tapped into. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/715 "2022-10-13T13:10:53Z")
How about this: ccp continued to serve ■■■■ sandwiches the last couple of years, and enough for second and third servings, that still doesn’t make it a good meal by any standards. So there will be plenty for you. Most of the toxicity you refer to boils down to “grrr-nullsec how dare they”, without even making a token effort to understand what the criticisms are about, instead focusing on what someone from nullsec suggested as possible remedies how dare he… I linked the list twice already. It’s worth a good read and a thorough understanding, that is if you can let go of your prejudices before you start reading. Denying that a very significant number of players are unhappy, attacking them for having criticism, ignoring that the player count is dramatically decreased doesn’t make you right. It makes you look rather funny. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/716 "2022-10-13T13:14:30Z")
I mean specifically, rather than channels. A video link. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/717 "2022-10-13T13:15:52Z")
Another unidentified alt with all losses on their z-kill. Why are people so against using mains? ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/718 "2022-10-13T13:17:38Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > I mean specifically, rather than channels. A video link. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/a/5/1a591eec331b6623a59f378d6b531badfa8b488e.jpeg "t.A.T.u. - All About Us (Official Uncensored Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yP4Nm86yk0) ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/719 "2022-10-13T13:19:21Z")
You would have to actually watch the streams then because Twitch deletes all videos, it’s not like Youtube that keeps the videos But I promise, everyday they will have a large audience and they will be picketing as a null sec miner’s union > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Denying that a very significant number of players are unhappy, attacking them for having criticism, ignoring that the player count is dramatically decreased doesn’t make you right. It makes you look rather funny. Attacking them and trashing them personally is important, it’s just self-defense because they shut themselves in their little feud and then they kill my alts on space I won’t let them to force CCP to change the game for their own benefit so they can kill me better HELLO? I loved all changes in the last years because the changes challenge the status quo Those people want to enforce that EVE is a miner’s game which who mines more will win, I have to do everything I can to challenge them They want to enforce their playstyle on me? They can go all go to hell, I am very happy that they are sad… it’s own fault if they are failing to adapt I adapted… whiners! ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/720 "2022-10-13T13:23:12Z")
They want to weasel their way to victory by using words and picketing against CCP in attempt to force CCP into transforming EVE in another farming game just like Final Fantasy WEASELS AND WHINERS These spoiled weasiling whiners will burn EVE’s reputation if they don’t get what they want, they dont love EVE they are trash ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/721 "2022-10-13T13:26:04Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > Why are people so against using mains? How do you define mains? I assume this question was directed at me. Consider this an example of your very narrow perspective on how the game can be played. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/722 "2022-10-13T13:27:21Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > making nullsec lucrative again It is lucrative, just not as much as it was. And his motives are about power and control, like any good nul sec leader, which comes from having people log in, make money so they can get taxed and fly ships for his fleets which are the embodiment of his power and control. Increased established null sec wealth generation comes at the cost of balance compared to everyone else, he is not the altruistic saviour of EVE you try to make him out to be. So you’re either purposefully lying or ignorantly bliss. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/723 "2022-10-13T13:43:51Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > It is lucrative, just not as much as it was. I can make more isk in empire with less risk. It really is that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/724 "2022-10-13T13:54:03Z")
So go do that then. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/725 "2022-10-13T14:05:21Z")
And if everyone thinks like you and moves to empire then what do we actually spend that isk on if there is nothing out of empire to shoot anymore. Ganking is not for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/726 "2022-10-13T14:05:57Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > So go do that then. :facepalm: … ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/727 "2022-10-13T14:17:11Z")
Nono. Just like everyone else you can’t have it all at the same time (and this is what all carebears want, everything maxed all at the same time without compromises and there are no better options otherwise the feet stamping begins). CHOOSE: - max income (which you say is in high sec, which is already a lie lol) - things you enjoy doing So choose. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/728 "2022-10-13T14:18:56Z")
Are you suggesting that doing a safer activity should produce more isk, because that’s what you are supporting? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/729 "2022-10-13T14:22:48Z")
I’m suggesting what you state to be safer isn’t actually safer. I’m suggesting that you’re a typical “I want it all” player so I’m suggesting that you should probably choose between what, you say, makes the most isk in the safest way possible and what you actually enjoy doing. I’m also suggesting that wanting “all of the above” is probably an unrealistic and unhealthy option from a game design point of view. Why should you be entitled to the best and safest form of income, while also enjoying the safety of the pack and other’s efforts, with very low effort of your own? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/730 "2022-10-13T14:26:30Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > Are you suggesting that doing a safer activity Are you suggesting activities in high and low sec are safer than in blue null sec space with intel coverage? ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/731 "2022-10-13T14:27:30Z")
So my ability to make isk per hour doing tier 5+ abyssal’s in empire and crab beacons. The ship or ships to do the abyssals cost around a billion, unless I use throw-away fits that will die every so often. To do a crab I have to pay 100m for the beacon, and then upwards of 6billion for a ship and fit to run it. I am locked in space for 5 minutes to activate the beacon. I am blinking on the map to people to show that a beacon is being run. Most rats that spawn will scramble and do very high damage. Why on earth would I do that, which is one of the highest incomes in nullsec when I can go to empire and run abyssal’s with less isk worth of ships at risk, less chance of being caught by enemies and the kicker **MAKE MORE ISK PER HOUR.** You are fooling yourself if you think this is how things should be. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=27)