# An Open and Honest Letter to CCP from an Alliance Leader **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870 "2022-10-10T20:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/752 "2022-10-13T14:45:19Z")
Not at all, what you are doing is hypocritical. Posting behind a fake character. You’ve questioned other people’s motives while you don’t post with any affiliated character. You attempt to slander people’s character and reason for posting while they have the decency and respect to post with their characters, while you do not. If you wish to call anyone a weasel in this thread, you should look in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/753 "2022-10-13T14:46:13Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Only if Eve is 100% full of people who think “maximize ISK/hour or bust” like you. It’s not. I would suggest that most people respect their time and wish to make the most out of their isk-making endeavours, instead of wasting time making less isk just because… ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/754 "2022-10-13T14:46:30Z")
You still haven’t chosen yet. No surprise there. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/755 "2022-10-13T14:46:53Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > instead of wasting time making less isk just because… …aaaaand this is precisely why I mentioned before, we can’t continue the conversation further, because your mental model can’t accommodate it. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/756 "2022-10-13T14:47:02Z")
You still haven’t posted with any character that shows you even have an inkling of what you are talking about. Try it. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/757 "2022-10-13T14:47:55Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > …aaaaand this is precisely why I mentioned before, we can’t continue the conversation further, because your mental model can’t accommodate it. So you think people should force themselves into doing something they dislike, in order to make isk slower - so they can eventually participate in aspects of the game they do like? Are you genuinely saying that? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/758 "2022-10-13T14:48:18Z")
I agree they should remove the ability to do t4 / 5 and 6 in high. Also you can’t really multi box t5 /6 abyss, for cruisers in different sites. But I’m guessing you can multi box 2x crab sites. different sites on different clients. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/759 "2022-10-13T14:48:46Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > Are you genuinely saying that? Reflect for a moment: do you think you’re treating me sincerely and fairly? Do I have to say “no” to truly convince you? Fine, you say “dance, monkey” and I’ll dance. No. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/760 "2022-10-13T14:49:08Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > I agree they should remove the ability to do t4 / 5 and 6 in high. Absolutely. Move them into nullsec and watch the easy-mode gankers whine because now they can’t setup risk-free ganks. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/761 "2022-10-13T14:49:46Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > No. So what are you saying? ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/762 "2022-10-13T14:50:28Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > But I’m guessing you can multi box 2x crab sites. different sites on different clients. You would be foolish to multibox multiple crab sites with single characters. It makes more sense to multibox the same site to finish it quicker. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/763 "2022-10-13T14:50:58Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > So what are you saying? Do you actually _want_ to understand? Your prior actions sealioning and strawmanning me are not inspiring confidence that you’re willing to put up your half of the effort of the very pitiful conversation we’re having. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/764 "2022-10-13T14:51:20Z")
Fair, quicker and less chance to be found increasing safety and increasing reward at that point is it higher isk/h than abyss? At much higher investment thou. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/765 "2022-10-13T14:51:24Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Do you actually _want_ to understand? You’ve spent more time on semantics than you have on actually making a point. Say what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/766 "2022-10-13T14:53:02Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > You’ve spent more time on semantics than you have on actually making a point. Say what you mean. Scroll up, I have sincerely answered every question you have thrown at me, and sincerely asked questions of you. I get the sense you didn’t like me asking your same exact questions back at you. Perhaps that is feedback worthy of internalizing. None of what I have been doing has been “playing semantics” aka “redefining words”. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/767 "2022-10-13T14:53:05Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Fair, quicker and less chance to be found increasing safety and increasing reward at that point is it higher isk/h than abyss? Crab sites aren’t great isk/hr when compared to T5/6. You may get lucky and get a good drop. You might get even luckier and get a capital spawn and make a billion off a module, but if you average out over a longer period, the amount of isk you make from abyssal is far less RNG than crab sites and less risky considering all null alliances now hunt these sites regularly with kiki fleets. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/768 "2022-10-13T14:53:37Z")
So go do them, what’s the problem? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/769 "2022-10-13T14:53:50Z")
Interesting so low sec in a frig is more isk/h than multi boxing crab sites and high sec abyss as I’m asuming none of them are over 500/h. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/770 "2022-10-13T14:55:13Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Interesting so low sec in a frig is more isk/h Yup but they’re not interested in that, it takes braincells and your safety depends on your own efforts. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/771 "2022-10-13T14:55:54Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Scroll up, I have sincerely answered every question you have thrown at me, and sincerely asked questions of you. This is what you wrote > Sincere question: Have you tried not optimizing for this? I’ve asked multiple times now for you to explain, I’ve repeated your question back to you multiple times only to get more semantics. It seems you genuinely don’t have a question and are more focused on doing this run around than actually explaining what you mean. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=29)