# An Open and Honest Letter to CCP from an Alliance Leader **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870 "2022-10-10T20:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/812 "2022-10-13T16:28:16Z")
Sweet Jesus. This thread is about as healthy for critical thinking capacity as drinking mercury. I feel sorry for the poor ISD that will inevitably need to delete this post. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/813 "2022-10-13T16:28:31Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > The post, as I see it, is an alarm call from someone who has good knowledge and first hand experience in that exodus of players. That you know of. This is far from the first time a stakeholder voices it, or similar lines. See CSM derelict. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/814 "2022-10-13T17:16:36Z")
That is pretty much what he said, once you cut away the hyperbole and marketing speak. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/815 "2022-10-13T17:20:12Z")
> [@Shamen](#): > > So just to elaborate. My mindset is on nullsec and alliance gameplay. A lot of people hate nullsec alliances. Myself included. We can imagine a nullsec without huge alliances and a bunch of slaves working for you. Given that I would like to see your entire premise fail, it is not surprising at all that there is an inability for constructive discussion here. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/816 "2022-10-13T17:21:33Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > significant exodus of players I will bring an input about new players, because I helped quite a lot of newbros in corporations and in the Rookie Channel: - they couldn’t find the so called wealth - they tried going null sec, got blobbed and lost the little ISK they had - they started gringing for ISK, then got burned and left because EVE became a second job That is all, ok? There’s people still around and they frequently thanked me for keeping things interesting for them in EVE otherwise they would have quit the game, these are their true words and I most definitely drag them here to the forum so they testify this. The wealth was stuck down there in null sec being guarded by angry bears. Now the wealth is spread all around and even solo players who just run Abyss do not have to bend the knee to some space feudal lords… they can find ISK anywhere! Because the ISK has been spread and new activities came out, people found stuff to do, how couldn’t the null bears not undock and find stuff ? They were pampered by easy ISK for years and it’s not so easy finding slaves nowadays, because everybody is free now and they don’t have to bend the knee for some toxic null sec miners gloating about how much ISK they have. ---
**Author:** ![Shamen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shamen/32/317004_2.png) [@Shamen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shamen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/817 "2022-10-13T17:24:34Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Given that I would like to see your entire premise fail, it is not surprising at all that there is an inability for constructive discussion here. I really appreciate the candidness of your response. But it also means that I will work harder to ensure what you want doesn’t happen. I hope you can respect that. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/818 "2022-10-13T17:25:33Z")
You guys hold all the cards; it shouldn’t be difficult for you to perpetuate your interests. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/819 "2022-10-13T17:32:57Z")
Holy ■■■■, I started reading my own messages, I didn’t realize I was that relentless, I mean I had an idea about it… but my comments are just so on point in such a way that I will have to bring an alt here just to like my own messages. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Is\_Amazing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_is_amazing/32/338100_2.png) [@Arya\_Is\_Amazing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Is_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/820 "2022-10-13T17:48:27Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Because the ISK has been spread and new activities came out, people found stuff to do, how couldn’t the null bears not undock and find stuff ? > They were pampered by easy ISK for years and it’s not so easy finding slaves nowadays, because everybody is free now and they don’t have to bend the knee for some toxic null sec miners gloating about how much ISK they have. Jee… vicious! ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/821 "2022-10-13T18:14:43Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > - Abyssals - 200m-500m/hour > - Burners - 200m-600m/hour > - Incursions - 150m/hour No one can run Burners continuously, that is random and this number is oversized. Abyssals is dangerous af, but you can run anywhere, why not buy at Jita and the alliance jump freighter brings to you? Incursions is “safe”, people lose a lot of ships and they get ganked while travelling too. Look at this 110 bil kill, plus the pod that should be around 9 bil > **[Prowler | niki lasvegas | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/99087247/)** > > niki lasvegas (lasagna Iovers) lost their Prowler in Kador Prime (Kador). Final Blow by Rungerd (Nordwind.) flying in a Hurricane. Total Value: 109,182,243,656.03 ISK High sec has no response fleet, no intel channel, everybody will steal you even your “friends” with their alts. Also the system index for industry is bad, nearly all stations use T1 rigs, there’s fees everywhere. The PI is garbage, there’s empire tax to pay of 5% plus the poco tax. Mining is garbage too. You can’t take gates with your dread. and so on Highec has benefits and costs, it’s just like living in Los Angeles. Null sec gotta have benefits and costs too. No place in New Eden should be perfect. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/822 "2022-10-13T18:33:47Z")
Good luck with your mercury drinking, I would advice against it thou. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/823 "2022-10-13T18:55:07Z")
Rookies, not members of a nullsec alliance, venture into nullsec “looking for wealth” and “get shot instead”. Is that what you are saying ? And you are also saying that that is not okay ? Did I get that right ? And you think that instanced pve is some kind of revolution away from the sandbox, a belated form of Justice against the evil nullsec players ? (I thought it was the anti-gankers and the anti-campers and the anti-pvp’ers who were pure evil, but maybe I’m mixing up threads, lmao). ![giphy (10)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/f/9/2f9efc2883a18ed8f9a9af08066e34ebcb9249d8.gif) Please don’t instruct new players any more until you get your facts about the game straight. Thank you. P.S. you should have defended what little NRDS space existed in the game, in some oddball region called Providence. You DO know what NRDS, NBSI and NPSI mean, I hope, and that you pass that on to everyone trying to start playing EvE, rather than tell them how toxic Reddit and nullsec is, and how wrong they all are. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/824 "2022-10-13T19:11:26Z")
Since I am Benevolent I will help you: They were trying to figure out the game, but the good stuff was in null sec under a bunch of losers supervision. That’s what I am saying, now that there’s ISK everywhere the game is better, this is more newbro friendly, in the past it was too null bear friendly. That’s what made people leave EVE, the game was set to appease a bunch of null morons. ---
**Author:** ![Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oriki_ahvilen/32/395043_2.png) [@Oriki\_Ahvilen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oriki_Ahvilen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/825 "2022-10-13T19:16:15Z")
So you want everything served on a plate again … Not going to happen ! It’s your kind that took us to where we are today in the first place… one step closer to disaster . When your kind will dissapear , maybe the game will have a chance to regenerate and we’ll see nice numbers of players again . Your primitive way of thinking is toxic , so do us a favor and step down… what Eve needs is a new generation of leaders , what will happen afterwards is really not relevant… ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/826 "2022-10-13T19:17:10Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Null sec gotta have benefits and costs too. Null sec is riskier already, look at MER destruction. More things getting blown up in null compared to high sec (including abyssals deaths which are right there in the MER) despite LESS players being in null: [0\_produced\_vs\_mining\_vs\_destroyed.png (1920×1080) (ctfassets.net)](https://images.ctfassets.net/7lhcm73ukv5p/6Gj2MoUiegJLxKiO8p6qAw/7d4dcf032d176b541713ae62251366d6/0_produced_vs_mining_vs_destroyed.png) Null has the trade offs, just not the rewards. That is why null vets are either rolling high sec accounts or, for the most part, walking away to play a more enjoyable game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/827 "2022-10-13T19:23:48Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > rolling high sec accounts Cant they simply fly there? Its not like theyre going to lose their ship and pod for entering HS unlike the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/828 "2022-10-13T19:42:12Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Cant they simply fly there? Its not like theyre going to lose their ship and pod for entering HS unlike the other way around. High sec can be 30+ jumps away, Jita for some of null is 70+ jumps away. When null wars are active youll be in pvp fleets most nights on your subcap main and have FAX, dread, titan/super on standby on the undock. You don’t just move pilots all that way to null as you could get a Discord ping to fleet up at any time. You either jump clone to jita and back or you create dedicated high sec pilots (which is what most do in my experience). Your warped view of null sec is hilarious dude, I wish you’d come fly in null, it’s riskier than you realise. There is a reason why by far the most destruction takes place in null despite less players playing in null compare to high sec. When the game was active and I lived in Eso, trying to fly to high sec through Stain and low sec would usually end up in being whelped, you don’t just fly through enemy sov and null-low, low-high and NPC null connections/space like it’s nothing. We had the bloody Russians in Stain hounding us daily with dreadbombs and subcap roams. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/829 "2022-10-13T19:54:55Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > High sec can be 30+ jumps away, Jita for some of null is 70+ jumps away. Use Pochven filaments and Jump Clones. Seriously, you cant mock me when the obvious solutions already exist. > [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > I wish you’d come fly in null As mentioned already several times, my application is in. > [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > Russians Are they still allowed to play? As a side note, they just got banned from WoT, which is pretty funny. Maybe the sovs not getting to use their credit cards would be part of a drop off in EvE’s numbers too? ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/830 "2022-10-13T20:00:42Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > There is a reason why by far the most destruction takes place in null despite less players playing in null compare to high sec. It’s those capitals and structures possibly. The graph is vague, we can see that null sec produce more, mine more and has way more destruction. But I gotta tell you, I am literally a Jita trade alt and sometimes i put a big batch of stuff on sell orders and null buyers buy it all in a click… so all that stuff I sell will be destroyed in null sec. There’s some intricacies that the graph will not provide, there’s capitals, old stocks being burned, abandoned stuff and stuff being displaced. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/831 "2022-10-13T20:22:51Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > There is one thing I see in common with you high sec larpers, besides all loving female avatars, you do come out with some ridiculous conspiracy theories. Oof didn’t take long for the misogyny to rear it’s head. I guess the fact that some of the girls are foreign to you eh bruv 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > The number of people here are not here to discuss or debate, but are here to insult, talk down, and are absolutely unwilling to change their minds no matter what information is shared with them. Welcome to the internet 😃 You seem a bit sensitive mate. Maybe Stardew is a better fit for you? > [@Shamen](#): > > The idea that Reddit is any worse than what we see on this forum is astounding to me. It’s ok bro, the truth hurts 😃 You just aren’t accustomed to people who actually like EVE 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > I’ve known him for many years, and suggesting that he is trying to weasel his way to isk is utterly wrong. If he wanted isk, he could make trillions within a few days without much effort. He doesn’t want that. Oh. So there isn’t a problem then. And his whole post is for nothing but personal gain since as you say, making ISK in null isn’t a problem. So that isn’t why they aren’t undocking. Got it 😃 Cept the people not undocking is hurting his wallet cause they ain’t earning huh? Hm. Seems like a personal reason to me 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > Another unidentified alt with all losses on their z-kill. Why are people so against using mains? This is my main bruv 😃 Let’s not front like this dude is your main 😃 > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > So you’re either purposefully lying Oh no. They lying 😃 They know 😃 The bias is super obvious as well. > [@Shamen](#): > > I can make more isk in empire with less risk. It really is that simple. ROFL. Yea sure buddy 😃 That’s why peeps be raking in billions running abyssals in the blue donut with absolutely zero risk from other players. Quafe please 😃 The jig is already up my dude. Null peeps brag all the time how easy it is to make money. So either they are lying or you are lying. And you already admitted that your mighty alliance has no problems with ISK. So that isn’t the reason people aren’t undocking 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > Are you suggesting that doing a safer activity should produce more isk, because that’s what you are supporting? ROFL, safer. Bro, you know we know right? The blue donut is far safer than HS LOL. > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Why should you be entitled to the best and safest form of income, while also enjoying the safety of the pack and other’s efforts, with very low effort of your own? Cause _reasons_ 😃 > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Are you suggesting activities in high and low sec are safer than in blue null sec space with intel coverage? Yes. That’s what their claiming 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > So my ability to make isk per hour doing tier 5+ abyssal’s in empire People are doing it in null and raking in billions my boy. Or do you just suck at the game? Also it’s easier to multi-box 2 dessies and farm the slightly lower tiers. Or so I was told by the null sec guy doing it and raking in billions in a day 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > Why on earth would I do that, which is one of the highest incomes in nullsec when I can go to empire and run abyssal’s with less isk worth of ships at risk, less chance of being caught by enemies and the kicker **MAKE MORE ISK PER HOUR.** There is less chance of getting caught in the blue donut. You realize abyss runners make lucrative gank targets right? > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > What stops you from doing them in null? It’s much safer than doing it around Jita that’s for sure. Nothing. Goons have already adapted and are raking in billions doing this. I guess these homies are just behind the curve 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > LOL - I’ve been doing them 4 jumps from Jita for months with no issues at all. Sure you have bro. Sure you have 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > Considering you have zero zkill interactions, how would you know this? ROFL ROFL ROFL. Are you new to EVE or I’m just embarrassed for you my guy. Imagine thinking zkills is the end all be all of EVE. Yennoe, there are times where I’m tempted to like try out null full time. But then I meet neckbeards like you and the other homie. Something tells me I would not gel 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > I want to spend less time having to do tedious tasks to make less isk than I did previously so I can spend more time hunting. I optimize my isk-making, so I can spend more of my time actually trying to find fights. Oooh. So you’re bad at the game. Why didn’t you just say that? > [@Shamen](#): > > you are the one posting behind a fake character… Now, I also support main posting. However, this isn’t a hill you’re going to win. Esp once they introduced alpha accounts. Even if she did post with her main, you wouldn’t take her serious because you cannot understand. > [@Shamen](#): > > If isk making is better in high-sec, the opportunities to find fights in null-sec go down. Not really. You realize you could just go and make a fight right? De-stand a smaller alliance and start blapping. But you won’t 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > You attempt to slander people’s character and reason for posting while they have the decency and respect to post with their characters, while you do not. If you wish to call anyone a weasel in this thread, you should look in the mirror. My guy, your homie already let his misogyny slip. It just promotes the idea more that null is full of sweaty neckbeards, screaming into the mic and taking pixels much too seriously. > [@Shamen](#): > > You still haven’t posted with any character that shows you even have an inkling of what you are talking about. Try it. Except you know she does. Which is why you’re dodging so hard 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > So you think people should force themselves into doing something they dislike, in order to make isk slower - so they can eventually participate in aspects of the game they do like? > > Are you genuinely saying that? No, it’s about choices as Aisha has already pointed out. Choices that the rest of EVE makes on a daily. And now that you’ve finally have come to the point of having to make it, you’re freaking out 😃 I want to be a full time low sec pirate. It was my life for many years. CCP abstaively murdered that playstyle for the most part. So I’ve had to adapt. > [@Shamen](#): > > Absolutely. Move them into nullsec and watch the easy-mode gankers whine because now they can’t setup risk-free ganks. LOL, and here is the real rub. You just want the biggest ISK activities to be in null. So you’re being dishonest. You already know people are raking in bils in null with abyssals. You just want to secure it all for yourself. I see now 😃 Also it confirms your HS alt has been ganked before and you’re salty cause you can’t adapt. Here’s a free hint bruv, don’t do the abyssals 4 jumps from Jita 😃 Cliff will find you 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > Crab sites aren’t great isk/hr when compared to T5/6. You may get lucky and get a good drop. You might get even luckier and get a capital spawn and make a billion off a module, but if you average out over a longer period, the amount of isk you make from abyssal is far less RNG than crab sites and less risky considering all null alliances now hunt these sites regularly with kiki fleets. LOL, you got proof of that or. Seems to me you don’t run abyssals much either. Cause if you did, you’d know 😃 > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Interesting so low sec in a frig is more isk/h than multi boxing crab sites and high sec abyss as I’m asuming none of them are over 500/h. Null abyssal running is eleventybillion times safer than HS abyssal running. And this dude knows this. He’s just fronting and you’re playing into his hands 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > My time is valuable to me. I work a full time job, and have an agency job as well. When I am playing I don’t want to take the slowest path for less gain. I want to take the path that earns me the most isk, in the least amount of time so I can focus on what I enjoy, which is hunting other players. I hope this is a better response. But I thought money wasn’t a problem for your alliance? So they are too poor for SRP? As are you? As an 03 player? Huh. Which is it? Are you guys mighty with trillions of ISK or just poors? > [@Shamen](#): > > I could if they posted in good faith, but they don’t. They hide behind unaffiliated throw-away characters with no z-kill or corporation history. If they wanted to engage in a genuine discussion that wouldn’t be the case. LOL, what is this excuse right here? I’d argue in good faith but I can’t cause alts LOL. > [@Shamen](#): > > I make my isk in high-sec, not null-sec, because it is safer and provides more isk. Oh. So there’s no problem then. You make ISK in HS, pipe down to null and hunt people right? > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > **My** bet is that he’s not doing abyssals at all, because then he could do those in null just as easily and even safer. I’m guessing he’s either grinding missions or mining but he wants the isk/h of T6 abyssals but without the effort and risk they require. Goons are literally printing ISK doing abyssals in complete safety in null. Maybe the other alliances haven’t caught up yet 😃 > [@Shamen](#): > > But the isk generation is done in the wormhole. It’s like me saying null is fine because I can take a gila through a wormhole into high-sec to run abyssals. Am I making sense? I may just not be explaining it very well. And he just said null has the best WHs for what he’s saying. Face it bruv, you’ve been exposed. I guess you drew the short straw to keep bumping this thread for the nullbears huh? 😃 > [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > I feel sorry for the poor ISD that will inevitably need to delete this post. Of course you want it closed. They don’t delete tho. So your words will still be here. Sorry bruv, can’t back out now 😃 > [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > They were pampered by easy ISK for years and it’s not so easy finding slaves nowadays, because everybody is free now and they don’t have to bend the knee for some toxic null sec miners gloating about how much ISK they have. Exactly. The ISK was the hook. Now that it’s gone, they are finding they actually gotta yennoe, lead. > [@Shamen](#): > > I really appreciate the candidness of your response. But it also means that I will work harder to ensure what you want doesn’t happen. I hope you can respect that. 👍 How? You already admitting to not undocking in null and basically playing in HS 😃 > [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > We had the bloody Russians in Stain hounding us daily with dreadbombs and subcap roams. Sounds like better times. Too bad players ruined it for you 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=30) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=32)