# An Open and Honest Letter to CCP from an Alliance Leader **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870 "2022-10-10T20:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/893 "2022-10-14T15:14:37Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > For my part, I spun up high sec accounts for ISK making, triple box hawks/retris, run burners or join incursions to fund my pvp so whilst I adapted, I’d _prefer_ to be enjoying content near friends within the null sec community No, what you **prefer** is making isk, if you cared about being “near friends” you’d still do that. Your aim isn’t being in null or being with friends, it’s making isk. Which brings me back to one of my earliest posts: > [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > People who care about numbers care less about people and interaction, because if they did they’d… act differently: they’re not interested in interaction at all, they want to be “left alone and allowed to grind”. > > People like that will also turn on your and sell you out the second it becomes beneficial to them. ---
**Author:** ![Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cendric_de_credsiu/32/409668_2.png) [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cendric_De_Credsiu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/894 "2022-10-14T15:16:51Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > When I see the Eve sov maps so stuck in a rut, it is abundantly clear that what nullsec _really_ needs is hugely more powerful rats to shake things up and stop the nullsec alliances being so complacent. Actually, this is a great idea. Could be tied into the faction warfare as well. Let’s say an alliance declares for Amarr they now have to deal with Mimintar incursions that attack structures, try to take away sov ect. Have it include all ship types with the incursion, Titans, supers ect. Make it to where the incursion rats for that faction also don’t attack anybody that has declared for them aka any alliance that has declared for Mimintar won’t be attacked by the Mimintar rat’s allowing them a bit of an easier time getting into the space and attacking the defense fleets. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/895 "2022-10-14T15:34:06Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > I personally could care less if somebody wants to multi box 10 miners with a Rorq on a belt all day long. If that is what they enjoy, then by all means go for it. If everyone gets free fitted titans and frigates do 5000 dps with 100km AOE range because “it’s what people enjoy” and the game would get more players that way, would that be a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![JAMES7347](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james7347/32/512009_2.png) [@JAMES7347](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JAMES7347)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/896 "2022-10-14T15:38:17Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > I personally could care less if somebody wants to multi box 10 miners with a Rorq on a belt all day long. If that is what they enjoy, then by all means go for it Probably the smartest contribution in the whole thread. Nice one ---
**Author:** ![Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ancantes_auge_dunier/32/323591_2.png) [@Ancantes\_Auge\_Dunier](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ancantes_Auge_Dunier)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/897 "2022-10-14T16:18:16Z")
no remove every ship thats bigger then other ship ROKIE SHIPS ONLINE!!! ---
**Author:** ![Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cendric_de_credsiu/32/409668_2.png) [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cendric_De_Credsiu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/898 "2022-10-14T16:38:18Z")
If all you want is people in ships shooting each other than yes industry should be removed, ratting should be removed, explo and worm holes removed. Ships should be free along with all the fittings, and no one should be able to make a single bit of ISK. Also remove any ship differences so no one has an unfair advantage over the other players. Seeing as we are jumping to extremes and putting words in people’s mouths and all that. Thankfully this is a game that caters to more than just that playstyle regardless of if you like it or not. Miners and care bears have just as much of a place in this game as you with your preferred playstyle. Doesn’t matter if you like that playstyle or not. If you do not like that play style don’t engage in it pretty simple solution, go do the activities you enjoy and maybe while you’re at it go kill some of those care bear miners. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/899 "2022-10-14T16:41:33Z")
No one said anything the like, but thanks for showing your colours. You also, craftily, avoided the question. What is lowered is _excess_, things aren’t _removed_. ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/900 "2022-10-14T16:43:54Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > There are still null sec-cers in null. What about them? > > It sounds to me that you made the choice to be greedy instead of stay with friends, and they chose to stay with friends. You might not be happy with the choices the universe provided you, and maybe they’re not either, but you’re not special in this way: people living in all spaces in New Eden face these kinds of choices that the universe uncaringly throws their way. Null sec is not special. I stayed in null sec, that’s precisely why I spun up _separate_ accounts for high sec content. My main accounts are still in null as they always have been. ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/901 "2022-10-14T16:45:41Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > I don’t disagree, I just don’t think all the lines have to draw back to null. They don’t and I don’t see many players advocating for that either. ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/902 "2022-10-14T16:51:32Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > No, what you **prefer** is making isk, if you cared about being “near friends” you’d still do that. Your aim isn’t being in null or being with friends, it’s making isk. No, that’s not true. Making ISK pays for content pursuits, that could be stocking doctrine ships in staging, taking part in fleet fights, paying for solo roaming, small scale etc. Now if you want to take part in HAC pvp fleets, you won’t need to grind much ISK, SRP will fund most of the content for you which is great. If you wish to pvp at higher stakes e.g. caps and supercaps which require multiple accounts (dread, FAX and super/titan) then you need deeper pockets to fund it. Players are not just pve focused or pvp focused, in my experience they are a combination of the two. If you want to pvp you need to make your ISK somehow - or PLEX of course. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/903 "2022-10-14T16:56:40Z")
So how many caps do you need, how much isk have you made so far and how many caps have you actually _used in pvp_ (that weren’t SRPed). ---
**Author:** ![Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cendric_de_credsiu/32/409668_2.png) [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cendric_De_Credsiu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/905 "2022-10-14T17:18:30Z")
Correction, I did answer your implied question. That being that everybody should be given free fitted ships. The rest is semantics. As stated, if we want a pure nothing else going on but ships blowing up other ships game then yes. You also need to remove any kind of ISK generation and ship differences as well. Yes, things where removed. Some of it rightly so. Aka moving Ore to region specific areas. Trit to Hi Sec only ect. Personally, I don’t think (as stated prior) they went far enough with it and should have added specific ores to each Empire and Pirate factions’ ships that are only found in those areas controlled by said faction. The industry changes removed players from space as they are now unwilling to risk assets they want to use as the ROI no longer makes sense. Market changes removed players from the game as well as their preferred playstyle is no longer tenable. (Also had the effect of driving up prices for everybody else) At the end of the day why does it matter if somebody has 1 titan or 50? Somebody with 50 is probably going to put them in space where they can in theory be shot and destroyed over somebody with 1 who is going to have to take a year to replace. At the end of the day who cares if somebody has more space pixels than I do. It’s a game and frankly not worth being jealous of somebody who happens to be able to grind more or plex more ect and have bigger, better, shiner or more imaginary space pixels than I do. If somebody wants to sit on a belt all day and mine with 11 accounts, why does it matter? Go shoot them. They replace it go shoot them again. Can’t do it on your own? Get friends and go shoot them, they replace you just keep shooting them. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/906 "2022-10-14T17:25:34Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > implied question It wasn’t implied at all, we all need eachother. My point was about when things get silly and excessive should an MMO that’s based on player run economy and interaction (so not like most MMO’s these days which are pretty much single player games with MP lobbies) allow for excess like that, just because “players think it’s cool and you get more players that way”? > [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > At the end of the day why does it matter if somebody has 1 titan or 50? It does if it’s not “somebody” but many people because it makes any sort of engagement meaningless (“already replaced”) and nigh impossible. and if it’s done through the game mechanics and balance allowing for excess grinding as that creates an imbalance with the rest of the game and play styles. What you’re saying is “why does it matter if Minmatar ships do 10 times more dps than any other, everyone has the option to fly Minmatar ships right so who cares”. You know better than this. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/907 "2022-10-14T17:32:05Z")
They tried that with the drifter invasion in null, they dropped no loot and had dooms days that 1 shot ships so people came up with a suacide strategy to use tons of cheap ships to take them out. In the end the only thing it shook up is peoples moral in wanted to even play the game at all, the best way to force change is through something exciting and dangerous but rewarding and let the players get in each others way. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/908 "2022-10-14T17:37:43Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > I stayed in null sec, that’s precisely why I spun up _separate_ accounts for high sec content. My main accounts are still in null as they always have been. So what you’re saying is you can’t figure out how to make ISK in null. Got it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/909 "2022-10-14T17:50:00Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > At the end of the day why does it matter if somebody has 1 titan or 50? Seems to matter to the people with 50 that they dont have 51 so they plan to leave unless they get it. And they are expecting the rest of us to support that stance. ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/910 "2022-10-14T17:55:40Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > So what you’re saying is you can’t figure out how to make ISK in null. > > Got it 😃 Don’t disagree with that overly, would be more accurate to say it became quicker and less risky to do it in high sec after anom respawn nerfs, BRM, scarcity and indy updates - and I value getting it done quickly so I can spend time on other pursuits. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/911 "2022-10-14T17:58:49Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > but i can understand that to some new people the “invasion “ was the coolest thing ever , its like a kid that have nostalgia for the PS1 because it was his first video game yeah the Triglavian Invasion was amazing! One day I managed to bump two ships at the undock with the same bump, then they got scrammed by the rats and killed since it was a player station. Dudes on comm couldnt stop laughing ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/912 "2022-10-14T18:09:38Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > Don’t disagree with that overly, would be more accurate to say it became quicker and less risky to do it in high sec after anom respawn nerfs, BRM, scarcity and indy updates - and I value getting it done quickly so I can spend time on other pursuits. So how come the goons have figured it out? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/913 "2022-10-14T18:11:03Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > So how come the goons have figured it out Because what they “figured out” takes effort and can’t be AFKed, so he’s not interested in it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=34) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=36)