# An Open and Honest Letter to CCP from an Alliance Leader **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870 "2022-10-10T20:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/934 "2022-10-14T21:43:10Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > I never claimed I was good at the game. You try to make more that 150 mill an hour with 4 kids, a wife, one of which is a newborn. šŸ¤£ But none of that is EVEā€™s problem. I have RL commitments as well. You donā€™t see me crying to daddy CCP to shower me with ISK cause reasons. You play EVE for enjoyment. You donā€™t enjoy? HTFU. It really is that simple. ---
**Author:** ![Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cendric_de_credsiu/32/409668_2.png) [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cendric_De_Credsiu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/935 "2022-10-14T22:01:58Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So yes you think you should undock a 52b ship and do a task that apparently pays x+50m an hour (where x equals who knows, not ypu apparently) and there is zero risk if theres no non-blues in system. > > Why the heck would anyone outside Null support that situation? I have stated repeatedly that I make 150 mill an hour. I have also stated how long it would take me to replace a 2-bill loss and how long it would take me to replace a 52-bill loss at that rate. I have also stated how long it would take to replace a 52-bill loss with that increase of 50 mill an hour. Go back and read that or not I donā€™t really care. Secondly as you so choose to ignore, I have never stated I want everything the OP has asked for. In fact, I continue to disagree with him on a few key points. Mostly as it would create market imbalances and lower conflict possibilities. More trade through the regions creates more opportunity for conflict. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > But none of that is EVEā€™s problem. I have RL commitments as well. You donā€™t see me crying to daddy CCP to shower me with ISK cause reasons. Show me one spot where I have complained about not making enough ISK??? ISK has one purpose to be spent on replacing ships you get blown up from underneath you and replacing fittings. Starting industry jobs if thatā€™s your thing. What I have stated is the current ROI issues for the larger ships are causing them to stay docked more often than not. I am perfectly fine with finding that magic number that is just enough to get more of them to undock without giving them a ton of ISK. Ships that are docked are ships that no one can go blow up. I cannot fly a single capital (unless you count the Orca). Adding in more ISK for capital pilots to do their sites does nothing for me but them undocking to go get that ISK does give me more chances to go blow them up. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/936 "2022-10-14T22:13:30Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > Adding in more ISK for capital pilots to do their sites does nothing for me You just canā€™t be honest can you. Itā€™s not, and never has been, about ā€œcapitalā€ PVE. Iā€™s about excessive grinding and material gathering. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/937 "2022-10-14T22:13:32Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > I donā€™t really care. You care enough to keep this nonsense up. At no point have you stated an actual figure and Im pretty much done with your constant obfuscation and subject changing to hide this fact. Just a constant ā€œ50m isk an hour moreā€ in an unspecific task against unspecific foes in one of 50 very specific 52b isk ships. > [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > I have never stated I want everything the OP has asked for. I dont believe I said you did, but then again if you arent a nullsec krab asking for handouts or a normal player against it, what exactly _are_ you adding to this thread apart from apointless arguement? > [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > More trade through the regions creates more opportunity for conflict. No idea why you are even saying this, its not going to happen and is mindblowingly off topic. > [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > Show me one spot where I have complained about not making enough ISK??? Where you constantly crave ā€œjustā€ 50m isk an hour more. The greed is palpable. As for people ignoring parts of posts, youre the obe ignoring the actual question asked three times now; why would anyone outside null support your greed? You dont need to answer, after all you think anyone opposed to your krabbing must be a troll. So feel free not to respond. Id really rather not read more of your flailing in the dark anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/938 "2022-10-14T22:17:30Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > No worries. I know why youā€™re dodging and deflecting šŸ˜ƒ 1/10, have another go ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/939 "2022-10-14T22:43:59Z")
> [@Induce\_Deadline](#): > > 1/10, have another go How? You dodged cause you know Iā€™m right šŸ˜ƒ So what exactly am I supposed to go at šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cendric_de_credsiu/32/409668_2.png) [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cendric_De_Credsiu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/940 "2022-10-14T22:50:51Z")
Yes, and I have agreed with you to a certain degree on that. I have also agreed that the capital proliferation got way out of hand due to it. Where we disagree at is how to remove capitals from the stockpiles. I am kind of thinking you want capitals removed from the game entirely. I want more of them in space so I can blow up more of them. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Where you constantly crave ā€œjustā€ 50m isk an hour more. The greed is palpable. > > As for people ignoring parts of posts, youre the obe ignoring the actual question asked three times now; why would anyone outside null support your greed? > > You dont need to answer, after all you think anyone opposed to your krabbing must be a troll. So feel free not to respond. Id really rather not read more of your flailing in the dark anyway. And no, I donā€™t consider anybody against Krabbing to be a troll. Just you. Is it really greed to ask that what you are putting on the field to risk losing has a chance to make back your investment and at least break even in a reasonable amount of time? How long did it take you to replace the Orca you lost??? Compared to how long it would take you to replace it today??? Thats the point you seem to not understand. Losing a ship is fine but you still have to be able to make the ISK to replace said ship and if the ISK reward for putting a high value asset on the field is the same as putting a low value asset on the field no one is going to put the high value asset on the field. The numbers I gave are based on my personal income stream. It does not need to give insane amounts of ISK but it does need to generate a bit more that will get people to put that asset out on the field. Also, when people in large swaths have left the game due to the changes and we are not getting replacements for them in large part to the price increase, then in part to the vitriol of the player base towards each other and other play styles yah I have stake in the results of this thread just like everybody else that still plays the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/941 "2022-10-14T23:11:46Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > Also, when people in large swaths have left the game due to the changes and we are not getting replacements for them in large part to the price increase, then in part to the vitriol of the player base towards each other and other play styles yah I have stake in the results of this thread just like everybody else that still plays the game. And then maybe face the truth. Maybe we are in the end times of New Eden. So what are you going to do? Let the cap ships rot in your hangar? Or take them out for a spin and burn what you can, while you can? ---
**Author:** ![Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cendric_de_credsiu/32/409668_2.png) [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cendric_De_Credsiu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/942 "2022-10-14T23:31:58Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Maybe we are in the end times of New Eden. > > So what are you going to do? Let the cap ships rot in your hangar? > > Or take them out for a spin and burn what you can, while you can? That would require me to actually have some. I want other people to take them out so I can shoot them. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/943 "2022-10-14T23:33:09Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > That would require me to actually have some. I want other people to take them out so I can shoot them. Then get them to nut up, fit up, fleet up and fly out šŸ˜ƒ Keep burning their stuff, theyā€™ll undock. ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/944 "2022-10-14T23:43:35Z")
> [@Sine123](#): > > Can we have Cat-ears? That would most certainly save EVE ---
**Author:** ![Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cendric_de_credsiu/32/409668_2.png) [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cendric_De_Credsiu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/945 "2022-10-14T23:49:41Z")
ohh we do. [Battle Report Tool (evetools.org)](https://br.evetools.org/related/30000833/202210141800) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/946 "2022-10-15T01:53:50Z")
Oh? So there isnā€™t a problem then. Got it šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/947 "2022-10-15T08:18:33Z")
> [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > I donā€™t consider anybody against Krabbing to be a troll. Just you So its a personal thing, not a logical thing, gotcha. Im fine to be hated but please dont accuse me of not believing in my position. > [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > How long did it take you to replace the Orca you lost??? Compared to how long it would take you to replace it today??? I dont have a problem with saving up and things taking time. I think large ships like Orcas should be something thats a big outlay. But as Im not a greedy krab I dont count Isk/hr. If you must know I own 12 of them which I use as storage hulks since Omega price rise occurred and I cancelled my sub. > [@Cendric\_De\_Credsiu](#): > > I have stake in the results of this thread just like everybody else that still plays the game. And what you still fail to grasp is that many people outside of Null blame people inside of Null for this situation because of your greed, and making more greedy demands is not going to make us support this agenda. Can I even ask you wtf you need all this isk for if you arent even raising a cap fleet for ā€œexcitingā€ null wars? Thats the usual excuse for the dragon impressions. You seem to be saying ā€œI need a 52b isk ship to farm isk to buy 52b isk ships incase I lose one farming for more of themā€ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/950 "2022-10-15T08:55:35Z")
Oooh contraversial, you must be trolling because I dont agree. On topic: CCP, Reverse Omega price hike NOW or justify it, please. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/951 "2022-10-15T09:41:02Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > On topic: CCP, Reverse Omega price hike NOW ā€¦ It was a mistake (in timing) to raise it. It would be even more of a mistake to reverse it. Better to leave the dagger in until the situation stabilises. Yes it is painful, but in market terms there is blood on the streets. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > or justify it. They did. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/a/b/9ab25de3a188ea016ae9408d505f8f08a668e98a.jpeg "Faction Warfare and Frontlines with CCP Aurora and CCP Psych") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrhvCvsnaT4) Now CCP gets to see who their real investors are. Those who just have skin in the game and those that give it soul. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/952 "2022-10-15T10:23:13Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > They did. A non event for a very specific group of players is justification for a price hike affecting nearly everyone? Nah. If they were being at least semi honest theyd say their overheads had increased or something. But being honest seems beyond them. And criticism of CCP is only acceptable from one side or you get flagged now ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/953 "2022-10-15T10:59:01Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > A non event for a very specific group of players is justification for a price hike affecting nearly everyone? Building infrastructure is not cheap. You seem disingenuous. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If they were being at least semi honest theyd say their overheads had increased or something. But being honest seems beyond them. Why are you holding this company to higher standards than any other black box corporation? ---
**Author:** ![Omnis\_Decline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnis_decline/32/335677_2.png) [@Omnis\_Decline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnis_Decline)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/954 "2022-10-15T11:05:34Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If they were being at least semi honest theyd say their overheads had increased or something. But being honest seems beyond them. As much as I agree with all the comments about the timing of the price hike being bad, how are you assuming that their costs havenā€™t increased when literally everything has had recent spikes in prices in the past couple of years due to the various crazy events going on and peopleā€™s poor handling of those situations? They shouldnā€™t _need_ to say anything of that nature for it to be a totally reasonable assumption for any sane person to make for themselves. They should have provided better justification than they did, but this isnā€™t something that should be expected to be part of it when itā€™s so thoroughly self evident to anyone whoā€™s old enough to be paying their own sub. Or choosing not to by themselves instead of having to ask their parents about why not. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/955 "2022-10-15T11:28:51Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Building infrastructure is not cheap. Which I literally mentioned in the next sentence that you quoted? > [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Why are you holding this company to higher standards than any other black box corporation? Im not, when others say that their costs have gone up due to infrastructure increases, I tend to believe them. When CCP increases costs they put their reasoning as ā€œā€¦ā€ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870.md?page=38)