# An Open and Honest Letter to CCP from an Alliance Leader **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 10, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870 "2022-10-10T20:47:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1022 "2022-10-17T08:39:34Z")
@Gix_Firebrand You _do_ know that it’s so obvious that Lucas and I are two different people but you’re too proud to admit you were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1024 "2022-10-17T08:57:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Irony because all you do is sit on the forum whining and harassing people. For you to claim someone else’s opinion doesn’t matter is beyond ridiculous Hm, I seem to recall some of your first posts on this forum involved calling players here “[basement dwelling incels](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/276)”. And you went back and mass deleted all your initial posts because they betrayed the fact that they’re all in the same vein. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/4/c/74c838a0bf839492fd92e0640a41e931cc12cf77.png) And all the deletes to white-wash yourself so you can deceive people who don’t know better: ![deleted_posts](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/2/1/f21327094d602854a1b1ae46513baa81c6b97e2d.png) Pot meet kettle. ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1025 "2022-10-17T09:00:29Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Irony because all you do is sit on the forum whining and harassing people That’s true. All of the Gix posts are badly-worded taunts and veiled insults, almost like it’s a disturbed teenager who posts. The man - I’m guessing it’s a man, it could be a woman for all I know - must be _very_ angry inside. I wonder what happened but he needs to get over it because it’s affecting his online relationships and leaving bad marks on his game character. How will he ever be able to sell such a jerk on the Character Bazar if he ever needs to? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 9:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1026 "2022-10-17T09:24:37Z")
> [@Zieae](#): > > @Gix_Firebrand You _do_ know that it’s so obvious that Lucas and I are two different people but you’re too proud to admit you were wrong. _rolls eyes_ Yea ok bruv. Cause this is my first time on the interwebs 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Irony because all you do is sit on the forum whining and harassing people. Oh? Whining? How so 😃 Heh. It must burn huh? Because you eventually get too emotional and start slinging insults and get checked hard. Ain’t my fault you get emotional over pixels my boy 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The only reason even you’re still here is because ISDs have given up on trying to maintain quality on the forums, knowing that reddit has replaced them for all intents and purposes. LOL, I like how you sneakdiss the ISDs and try to get the thread closed 😃 Interesting 😃 > [@Zieae](#): > > All of the Gix posts are badly-worded taunts and veiled insults, almost like it’s a disturbed teenager who posts. Yennoe, I’m always curious as to why people, when backed into a corner, resort to age shaming 😃 > [@Zieae](#): > > must be _very_ angry inside. Angry? You and Grampy Kells Rroff provide much merriment brosefticles 😃 > [@Zieae](#): > > I wonder what happened but he needs to get over it because it’s affecting his online relationships and leaving bad marks on his game character. Bad marks? Are we in school bruv? > [@Zieae](#): > > How will he ever be able to sell such a jerk on the Character Bazar if he ever needs to? Wut. Why would I ever sell my character? He is mine 😃 I created him and when the time comes and sail off from New Eden covered in the victory of being me and only me, never an alt and never false, he shall remain mine 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1028 "2022-10-17T09:51:07Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Angry? You **and** Grampy Kells Rroff provide much merriment brosefticles Me “and”? So now I’m no longer Lucas’ Alt? How you break my heart. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Bad marks? Are we in school bruv? No bruv, but you need to go back to it because “a bad mark on” is perfect English, but of course for _you_ Rednecks English is a foreign language. > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Wut. Why would I ever sell my character? He is mine 😃 I created him and when the time comes and sail off from **blah blah blah** You’re _such_ a man-child. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1029 "2022-10-17T10:13:17Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No you don’t. What you’ve done is cherry picky a handful of comments out of thousands then make baseless claims that I’ve deleted posts to hide something. Simply saying “no” doesn’t rebut nor refute my argument, as much as you wish it to. Your accusation of “_baseless_” literally means lack of evidence, which is _objectively_ and _logically_ incorrect as I have submitted the following evidence: > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > “[basement dwelling incels](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evolving-eve-a-universal-income/285731/276)” > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/4/c/74c838a0bf839492fd92e0640a41e931cc12cf77.png) > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > ![deleted_posts](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/2/1/f21327094d602854a1b1ae46513baa81c6b97e2d.png) The “cherrypick” is especially weak considering you only have yourself to blame for posting thousands of times posts that are vapid, void, or repeat of the same single content. Your ability to regurgitate sheer quantity of posts doesn’t provide you a meaningful defense when people earnestly take each and every you and your messages at full value, and your whole corpus of generated content earnestly. A non-trivial amount of them were and are insults of the same nature you are criticizing. If you can’t handle the feedback nor have the maturity to acknowledge “yeah, I’ve said things I’m not proud of”, that’s still entirely a reflection _of your character and stubbornness and inability to reflect_ and not a commentary about the strength of my argument, no matter how much you wish it was. Which to outside observers seems absolutely indistinguishable from Gix’s behavior that you’re criticizing. Do better. ---
**Author:** ![JAMES7347](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james7347/32/512009_2.png) [@JAMES7347](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JAMES7347)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1030 "2022-10-17T10:19:43Z")
WOW get a room you two ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1031 "2022-10-17T10:22:22Z")
Ok here’s an on topic question: Does the increase of the subscription fee disuade the multiboxer more than the casual gamer, or is the person only running one account at a time actually more intensely impacted because the multiboxer is PLEXing more often to support their accounts? Id be tempted back to Omega if I knew that the increased cost was making more multiboxing krab fleets quit. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 10:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1033 "2022-10-17T10:32:31Z")
Some people never listen ![Screenshot_20221017_123201](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/1/a/b1a57919c5accd3f01b6342ba178e174bad2b9e2.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1034 "2022-10-17T10:33:39Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s a clever tactic, mass report posts until they get deleted by the automod then claim those posts said things they didn’t. But don’t pretend you’re fooling anyone. Cept I’m pretty dang sure Io’s never reported your posts. Neither have I 😃 Rather he’s got you dead to rights and you’re squirming bruv 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > He went off attacking someone on the mac subforum for asking for help with the mac client. Is it my fault he’s using a sub-par machine? 😃 He had to learn 😃 Ew, stalking me much? That’s creepo bro. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, irony. How so? You’ve demonstrated time and time again, you get emotional and you sling insults. Hell, you even went after an ISD 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s a well known fact you bought your account and character on ebay. Standard RMT. ROFL. Holy cow I actually LOLed for real. Fact huh? And where did you get this info from 😃 New’s to me bruv. Yennoe, what do you do when the gas lighting doesn’t work? Again bro, you got my full pity 😃 > [@Zieae](#): > > Me “and”? So now I’m no longer Lucas’ Alt? How you break my heart. You realize you can be both at the same time right? Do you not know how to interwebs or > [@Zieae](#): > > No bruv, but you need to go back to it because “a bad mark on” is perfect English, but of course for _you_ Rednecks English is a foreign language. Erm. And it means a bad grade in school. How embarrassing you don’t know that 😃 Why would redneck English be foreign? You don’t even know me bruv 😃 > [@Zieae](#): > > You’re _such_ a man-child. Or maybe I enjoy having a character in a spaceship vidya game 😃 I realize your whole life is driven by ISK, thus you cannot understand why I would never sell my one and only char 😃 > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Which to outside observers seems absolutely indistinguishable from Gix’s behavior that you’re criticizing. You didn’t have to murder him like that 😃 I think tho, the main difference between Grampy Kells Rroff and I, is that he cannot feel or display joy in any form. Remember, this is a dude who can’t giggle. I deeply enjoy the forums and EVE as a whole. He does not. He is addicted and it is all that he has. He’s basically Gollum. He loves EVE but loathes it. And now he’s attempting to destroy it because he can’t summon the willpower to walk away from a spaceship vidya game. My leading theory is by him quitting he perceives it as CCP beating him. And he can’t have that of course, so crazily he continues to give them money for a product he hates. The reason why he wants to play until the server shuts off, is that then he can say he beat CCP. Wild right? Imagine taking space pixels that serious. Yennoe, when you zoom out, it is kinda terrifying this is a grown adult that functions like this. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I hold an opinion you dislike and as such you will attack me. He isn’t tho. He’s merely providing evidence to refute your point, which it is. That isn’t an attack LOL. Do you not know how to debate or > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > so you’re accomplishing absolutely nothing with your line of attack. Uh. He ROFLcoptered you into the ground. You’re fuming inside cause your delete storm didn’t catch it in time. Welcome to the interwebs brosefticle 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1035 "2022-10-17T10:37:32Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You realize you can be both at the same time right? Do you not know how to interwebs or… …or… or… or I’m a genuine non-alt character. **DUH** ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1036 "2022-10-17T10:40:01Z")
@Gix_Firebrand You’ve had enough attention from me today, son. Talk to you tomorrow. Try to have a good day, ok? Life isn’t all _that_ bad. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1037 "2022-10-17T10:56:08Z")
? My life is fine bruv 😃 I’m enjoying the forum and the game 😃 Funny, I thought you said you were leaving. Just another lie I guess 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zieae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zieae/32/338701_2.png) [@Zieae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zieae)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1039 "2022-10-17T11:10:06Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s pretty much standard practice that you say anything that these people can’t counter (which is pretty much anything) and they’ll baselessly claim you’re an alt. It’s just a way to try to dismiss your views without consideration. I know, I just employed the same trick on Io 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1040 "2022-10-17T11:12:16Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yep, fact. Oh? Drop the proof 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1041 "2022-10-17T11:15:03Z")
Since this is already getting out of hand here again: ### **1.** **Specifically restricted conduct.** The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others. In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: - Trolling - Flaming - Ranting - Personal Attacks - Harassment - Doxxing - Racism & Discrimination - Hate Speech - Sexism - Spamming - Bumping - Off-Topic Posting - Pyramid Quoting - Rumor Mongering - New Player Bashing - Impersonation - Advertising ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-and-honest-letter-to-ccp-from-an-alliance-leader/379870/1042 "2022-10-17T11:15:05Z")
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