# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/378 "2022-03-10T06:35:11Z")
…but YOU raised the past as part of your argument. Now you are saying you don’t want to talk about it. Not exactly a sound argument. BTW, I did say that if CCP introduces a P2W mechanic (which is kinda impossible in EVE) I would have an issue…so ya, I did talk about more position of a future condition. But what you are doing is basing your current argument on a hypothetical situation and for me that’s a waste of time. Without a case study of the negative impacts to the game of the destroyer pack, there is no argument here…just anxiety. Thanks for replying though… ---
**Author:** ![Shingen\_Masaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shingen_masaki/32/487650_2.png) [@Shingen\_Masaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shingen_Masaki)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/379 "2022-03-10T06:36:56Z")
You seem to type a lot of words for someone who thinks this is a waste of your time. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Killygam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_killygam/32/361459_2.png) [@Marcus\_Killygam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Killygam)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/380 "2022-03-10T06:37:04Z")
Signed. I produce about 10+ Retrievers every week and sell them in the market. Not limited to Retrievers, the EVE’s market is made up of the supply and demand of players, so sellers are constantly competing with other sellers for price. It’s a tough race, but I love the EVE’s market which is formed by players. Now, CCP sells Retrievers, that should be sold by players, in the Pack from outside the market. This means taking some of the money that should flow from player to player and making it their own income. I understand that CCP needs to earn money to continue running EVE. But a way like this will lose the player base and CCP’s business will be difficult on the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/381 "2022-03-10T06:46:55Z")
…and you seem to be avoiding my simple question. ---
**Author:** ![Shingen\_Masaki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shingen_masaki/32/487650_2.png) [@Shingen\_Masaki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shingen_Masaki)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/382 "2022-03-10T06:49:18Z")
Yeah, I generally don’t engage with folks who cherry pick ONE sentence out of a paragraph to nitpick. I didn’t want to call you out as a troll right away cause I’m polite like that. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/383 "2022-03-10T06:49:51Z")
Now this is a totally valid point…but I ask you, how may Retriever packs do you think CCP is going to sell? Then ask yourself if that _really_ is an issue for you. I think when you put this topic into perspective of NW’s markets, this is a non-event really. ---
**Author:** ![helping\_happy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/helping_happy/32/465192_2.png) [@helping\_happy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/helping_happy)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/384 "2022-03-10T06:51:13Z")
Just delete eve at this point and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/385 "2022-03-10T06:51:24Z")
I asked you one question based on your argument and for that, I’m now a troll. LOL… ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/386 "2022-03-10T06:52:36Z")
Selling poison in the form of market degradation to ignorant newbes is a bad idea until you realise that CCPs superiors are doing the same thing globally. The market is shrinking. Does gouging a zombie kill it? ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Rebar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_rebar/32/311009_2.png) [@Erik\_Rebar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Rebar)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/387 "2022-03-10T07:05:56Z")
Lol EVE is already P2W with PLEX and SP injectors. Just make CCP buy the ship from the in game market. ---
**Author:** ![Katana\_Masen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katana_masen/32/471330_2.png) [@Katana\_Masen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katana_Masen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/389 "2022-03-10T07:09:47Z")
> signed for an open letter. I wager on seeing more ludicrous way of monetizing before long unless we adamantly say no to this. Although I was a bit optimistic because of the latest patch, I do not condone this disservice. What on earth is going on within CCPs command ? Why we see this catastrophic decision with that ( a small ) step forward at the same time ? You guys all are really out of hand for the past few years. ---
**Author:** ![Sampl\_Boirelle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sampl_boirelle/32/350907_2.png) [@Sampl\_Boirelle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sampl_Boirelle)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/390 "2022-03-10T07:14:00Z")
I wont deny that possibility. Are you saying that players buy plex with $$ to plex their account(s)? What i see is that buying plex with $$ costs more then buying a subscription. That then means that those players are paying more then they need to no? I dont see why people would do that if thats the case ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/391 "2022-03-10T07:18:23Z")
If you guys want to have an effect on CCP, this isn’t how you do it. They’re not going to listen to forum posts they don’t read, or letters from a CSM that was only formed to placate the masses and doesn’t have any actual power or sway over what the developers do. Instead, send ISK to Safety. and other various gank groups, and they will gank these barges. I _would_ also recommend that for an extra kicker, you can acquire the ISK via off-site RMT (i.e. bypassing additional PLEX sales), but that’s not something that’s allowed, so I won’t. Once players start losing ships for which they paid real-life money directly, this problem will take care of itself. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/392 "2022-03-10T07:21:25Z")
> [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](#): > > can somone post the fit of this barge? Think it’s here > [@PROSPECTOR PACK "READY TO FLY RETRIEVER"](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/prospector-pack-ready-to-fly-retriever/352705): > > Found a picture of the “Fitting” for the “READY TO FLY RETRIEVER” on Reddit. No rigs, no DC. Good fit all in all. 100 ---
**Author:** ![Sacu\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sacu_shi/32/454800_2.png) [@Sacu\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sacu_Shi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/393 "2022-03-10T07:21:58Z")
Signed. ---
**Author:** ![Saladin\_Chen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saladin_chen/32/289844_2.png) [@Saladin\_Chen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saladin_Chen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/394 "2022-03-10T07:30:30Z")
Signed. ---
**Author:** ![Victorieux\_Luxvry\_Yacht](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/victorieux_luxvry_yacht/32/311039_2.png) [@Victorieux\_Luxvry\_Yacht](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Victorieux_Luxvry_Yacht)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/396 "2022-03-10T07:37:27Z")
dreads are not used we now buffed it with 150% dps! and you can now buy our brandnew 149$ dreadnought pack! ---
**Author:** ![MajorBean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/majorbean/32/382916_2.png) [@MajorBean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MajorBean)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/397 "2022-03-10T07:39:50Z")
SIGNED. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/398 "2022-03-10T07:40:27Z")
Good grief! CCP just gave gankers a holy crusade. Wicked and brilliant. I am in awe. ---
**Author:** ![Victorieux\_Luxvry\_Yacht](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/victorieux_luxvry_yacht/32/311039_2.png) [@Victorieux\_Luxvry\_Yacht](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Victorieux_Luxvry_Yacht)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/399 "2022-03-10T07:42:09Z")
serenity is already P2W. free AT ships if you subscribe 1yr Omega or so. before i left there was a 3month OMEGA for free marauder hull. and now ISK is on sale by Netease LOL that’s exactly why i came to tranquility and even pay a VPS to play it with acceptable lag. now the other server is making a start [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=20)