# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Dexomus\_Viliana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dexomus_viliana/32/432560_2.png) [@Dexomus\_Viliana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dexomus_Viliana)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/441 "2022-03-10T11:03:02Z")
/signed ---
**Author:** ![Pinaka\_Hakoke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pinaka_hakoke/32/290513_2.png) [@Pinaka\_Hakoke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pinaka_Hakoke)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/442 "2022-03-10T11:08:54Z")
CCP sell ships from 2015 . but you start this only now? [EVE Online - Explorer Content Pack - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15MNyOVzsOQ) [EVE Online - Colonist Content Pack - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pORmuKbZMdY) [EVE Online - Skirmisher Content Pack - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niMdzAd3g8I) [EVE Online - Industrialist Content Pack - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Njt1KrmV-c) all this packs have ships. all of them from 2015 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/443 "2022-03-10T11:10:14Z")
I don’t understand. The players wanted a mobile-like farming simulator and they’re getting one. Why the Pikachu faces? ---
**Author:** ![Sophia\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sophia_mileghere/32/381201_2.png) [@Sophia\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sophia_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/444 "2022-03-10T11:13:51Z")
I am also against such packages. There have been so many suggestions here how CCP could probably generate much more money from the customers without upsetting anyone or probably it would even please the customers (e.g. skins for stations). The simplest thing: make weekly or daily packages for PLEX or one PLEX = 24 hours Omega. Unfortunately, I kind of have the feeling that CCP is trying to sit out the ship sale issue and won’t comment on it. ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/445 "2022-03-10T11:15:03Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > And who the ■■■■ are you to me exactly ? I’m your daddy 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/446 "2022-03-10T11:15:37Z")
■■■■ humor, so no probably not. ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/448 "2022-03-10T11:24:42Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Brisc has stated that “real money” is at risk in this enterprise. > Yet fiat is no more real than Inter-Stellar Kredit That’s a very good point. > [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > I do appreciate CSM stepping up to represent their base tho I don’t want to be rude but it’s more like a fart in the wind. As stated by Brisc himself, the monetization of ships started a long time ago and their voice of dissent remains unheard to this day yet EVE Online has kept going so far and will go on, with or without the entitled whiners. I do not blame the SCM’s impotence on its members but realistically, at the end of the day, they are not in charge of making decisions for CCP/PA as businesses or even as game developers. ---
**Author:** ![Rhivre](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rhivre/32/358488_2.png) [@Rhivre](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rhivre)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/449 "2022-03-10T11:26:34Z")
I believe that is covered in the post. Ever wondered why the expert mining pack is the only one that gives you access to ships without giving you ships? ---
**Author:** ![Hazra\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazra_ellecon/32/423072_2.png) [@Hazra\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazra_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/450 "2022-03-10T11:42:49Z")
I play this game specifically because it is (primarily) a player controlled sandbox. Allowing players, new or old, to purchase something outside the game ecosystem that will directly affect market prices inside the ecosystem, it is a direct assault to that player control. Nobody is “forced” to buy them, correct. Their sale WILL directly affect the market for those items, which will also affect anyone who produces that item or any of it’s components. ---
**Author:** ![Hazra\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hazra_ellecon/32/423072_2.png) [@Hazra\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hazra_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/451 "2022-03-10T11:46:30Z")
+1 / Signed. Not that I think it will matter a damn. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/452 "2022-03-10T11:51:13Z")
> [@Hazra\_Ellecon](#): > > Their sale WILL directly affect the market for those items While this is true, it’s a tiny little blimp, plus it’s open season on Retrievers for the next little bit which should balance things out… ---
**Author:** ![corbexx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corbexx/32/311094_2.png) [@corbexx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/corbexx)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/454 "2022-03-10T11:54:35Z")
Please add me to the list of signature. The skill point buying came in while I was on CSM and while I wan’t to happy about it. One of my concerns was that it would be expanded on I’m honestly surprised it’s took this long. It might just be retrievers now but just wait and see. It will be other ships next. Corbexx CSM 9 and 10 ---
**Author:** ![Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cherry_crush_mafannyoot/32/276742_2.png) [@Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cherry_Crush_MaFannyOot)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/455 "2022-03-10T11:55:53Z")
Should have probably been more vocal about the sandbox integrity back then, shouldn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Oxford\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/johnny_oxford_virpio/32/433291_2.png) [@Johnny\_Oxford\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Johnny_Oxford_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/456 "2022-03-10T11:56:17Z")
+1 /signed not a good move ---
**Author:** ![Quentin\_Schaefer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quentin_schaefer/32/471507_2.png) [@Quentin\_Schaefer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Quentin_Schaefer)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/457 "2022-03-10T11:57:13Z")
./signed Selling ships like this is a slippery slope. I have no problem with buying injectors w/plex money, which is a slippery slope by itself, but selling ships is an even slippier slippery slope. It can also lead to actual p2w, which I take issue from. Ahh, how much I love words that start with an s. How many other words that start with s can apply to this topic? Gee, I wonder… ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/458 "2022-03-10T12:00:51Z")
> [@Quentin\_Schaefer](#): > > How many other words that start with s can apply to this topic? Gee, I wonder… Shmucks ---
**Author:** ![Gearius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gearius/32/311100_2.png) [@Gearius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gearius)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/459 "2022-03-10T12:11:12Z")
Signed I have already seen people using the “It’s only a barge”. However as we have seen in the recent past pushing the envelope that bit further each time to test the limit and see if we will just forget about it in a few weeks time has become habit. Just as “Its just a bit of rain”. At the start of a record storm. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/460 "2022-03-10T12:16:29Z")
> [@Gearius](#): > > Just as “Its just a bit of rain” We’ve been at this point for a while so…seems a bit dramatic to make this claim when the reality of “things change over time” is just as true. ---
**Author:** ![Yavy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yavy/32/296695_2.png) [@Yavy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yavy)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/461 "2022-03-10T12:23:38Z")
+1 Just sell skins, cosmetics, plex and remove the subscription in a game under these circunstances. ---
**Author:** ![Knocklock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knocklock/32/242736_2.png) [@Knocklock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knocklock)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/462 "2022-03-10T12:32:44Z")
After over 20 years of online gaming I quit for almost 5 years. The reason for that was the rise of microtransactions, pay to win, and advertisements solely targeting my real life wallet with fishy tricks. At some point it was all over the place. It felt like your favorite pub is slowly but steadily transforming into McDonalds. Two years ago I started EVE. The nice pub I was looking for seemed to still exist. Latest at the point where I found myself in the New Eden store instead of my market orders I couldnt ignore the fact anymore that EVE is heading in the same direction already. What kept me playing at the beginning was the feeling of beeing the underdog. Mining in my very own venture next to these orca beasts. Running from pacifiers in my very own magnate. Simply having a lot of fun. I m sad for new players who will be missing that experience without knowing. What made the game unique will now be bypassed with some quick cashgrab. You’ll get 10 one month sups instead of one player for the rest of his life. And I dont want to start with moon mining alts and a thousand of other topics that are connected to cash alts as my time is too precious to waste on the next company that chose to sell its soul. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=23)