# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Bacamarte\_Ambramotte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bacamarte_ambramotte/32/309756_2.png) [@Bacamarte\_Ambramotte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bacamarte_Ambramotte)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/591 "2022-03-10T20:39:18Z")
signed and bye! ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Rebar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_rebar/32/311009_2.png) [@Erik\_Rebar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Rebar)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/592 "2022-03-10T20:49:02Z")
Out of thin air? Then when you kill a rat the Isk you get has to come from a player? And as someone said before they can just source the ship form the nearest market to the player. Plex and Sp injectors: CCP already ‘crossed the line’. Eve is already P2W. All your indignation came too late, years too late. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/593 "2022-03-10T20:55:22Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > If the other ideas are such a sure thing then why do this? Why go back on their word of selling SP? I have no idea. This is why the whole thing took us aback. It’s not like CCP’s financials are suddenly bad, or they’re suddenly in dire need of new monetization strategies. They have multiple things they have been sitting on, especially new cosmetics (clothes, backgrounds for images, alliance skins, corporation skins, structure skins) to things like naming rights for NPC stations and stuff - all kinds of things they could monetize that no one would complain about and would eagerly buy. But instead of the popular stuff, we get this BS. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabeth\_Seria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabeth_seria/32/279828_2.png) [@Elizabeth\_Seria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabeth_Seria)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/594 "2022-03-10T20:56:14Z")
Players can’t generate rats. CCP does. CCP doesn’t generate SP for people to inject. Players do. CCP controls sources and sinks, including selling plex for cash. Players control industry, trade and conflict, including trading plex for isk. > All your indignation came too late, years too late. People are speaking up now. It’s fine if you disagree, but attacking those who are speaking out now for being “too late” just means you’ve already given up on the game. In which case, why are you even here? ---
**Author:** ![Gleb\_Koskov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gleb_koskov/32/374138_2.png) [@Gleb\_Koskov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gleb_Koskov)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/595 "2022-03-10T20:58:30Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > As a group of current and former CSM members, many having served on multiple CSMs so far, we can say from personal experience that every single one has seen in-depth, Pulling rank to artificially reinforce your ‘grievances’, mesmerizing. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/596 "2022-03-10T21:01:40Z")
The difference between the thoughtlessly offensive crap currently being shoved in our faces until it is swallowed.and the post you have presented is stark. One represents a risky plan being discussed between long-term thinkers that has a chance of surviving a financial collapse and the other quite frankly has no defence. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/597 "2022-03-10T21:02:30Z")
> [@Gleb\_Koskov](#): > > Pulling rank to artificially reinforce your ‘grievances’, disgusting. And here I thought Brewlar was winning the prize for most uninformed nonsense in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Beidorion\_eldwardan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/beidorion_eldwardan/32/311211_2.png) [@Beidorion\_eldwardan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Beidorion_eldwardan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/598 "2022-03-10T21:06:39Z")
I’ve played Eve since some good friends introduced me to the game in feb 2010… i started a line member and over the years rose to now having been the corp CEO of hundreds of wonderful humans that i am blessed to have had in my life at one time or another. CCP has in the past made me angry and made me unsub SOME of my accounts and i have struggled a little with the " just keep going the guys need you to " but this - selling functional items ingame for real money directly - you just took a dump on the one red line i made for myself back when monocle gate happend. This violation of the trust between players and CCP - this one will get me to walk away i fear. because you took away the one thing i helped my guys create … content. it’s been twelve years, some of them were even good. ---
**Author:** ![Nomad\_Lennelluc](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nomad_lennelluc/32/347309_2.png) [@Nomad\_Lennelluc](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nomad_Lennelluc)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/600 "2022-03-10T21:10:58Z")
i will cancel my 15 accounts unless this p2w retriever its removed asap, if u dont make enought cash from plex. Make more skins, make more custom mining lassers or upwell skins. BUT DONT F’K UP WITH INDUSTRIALIST. ITS TIME TO MASS UNSUB AND BURN JITA. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/601 "2022-03-10T21:12:03Z")
> [@Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](#): > > ignoring the top 10 alliances Yes, let’s cut out the tens of thousands of players who have been begging for these skins and would buy them for every ship they own because otherwise your nonsense is inconvenient. Dear lord, just stop posting. ---
**Author:** ![Bacamarte\_Ambramotte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bacamarte_ambramotte/32/309756_2.png) [@Bacamarte\_Ambramotte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bacamarte_Ambramotte)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/602 "2022-03-10T21:19:52Z")
spaghetti spaghetti nonsensiiii! ---
**Author:** ![Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cherry_crush_mafannyoot/32/276742_2.png) [@Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cherry_Crush_MaFannyOot)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/603 "2022-03-10T21:20:15Z")
Read the post, I find it hard to believe anyone at CCP doing any type of accountancy is gonna engage with you, I’d understand why they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/604 "2022-03-10T21:21:44Z")
I read the post. It’s nonsense. There are 30k accounts in Goons. If even half of them buy one ship skin, for 10 bucks, they’ve made $150k. That’s for ONE SKIN for ONE SHIP. Your math is bad, your posting is bad, and you’re wasting all of our time. Stop. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/606 "2022-03-10T21:25:03Z")
> [@Cherry\_Crush\_MaFannyOot](#): > > OK lets do some quick maths here, ignoring the top 10 alliances unless you are simply asking CCP to pander to you. Even for the internet, this is a ridiculous argument. Ignoring the top 10 car manufacturers, almost nobody on the planet makes cars. Ignoring the 10 most populated countries in the world, most countries have very few people. Do you have any idea how dumb this makes all your arguments sound? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Snowfox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_snowfox/32/299803_2.png) [@John\_Snowfox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Snowfox)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/607 "2022-03-10T21:27:52Z")
She’s trolling, as usual. And it’s a reportable offence. You know what to do. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Snowfox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_snowfox/32/299803_2.png) [@John\_Snowfox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Snowfox)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/609 "2022-03-10T21:31:29Z")
> **[Your logical fallacy is genetic](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic)** > > You judged something as either good or bad on the basis of where it comes from, or from whom it came. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/610 "2022-03-10T21:31:41Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > It’s not like CCP’s financials are suddenly bad _Because_ of monetisation. It surely ain’t being propped up by subscriptions like it once was. I suppose there isn’t much point in discussing here why CCP have chosen this method of monetisation over others. I guess you have that fun to look forward to with CCP themselves. But it seems pretty clear to me that CCP are becoming more reliant on these kinds of methods and will pursue them more and more aggressively as their attempts to change the games direction continue to go wrong. We had the backtracking of SP and the selling of frigates and dessies already. I don’t understand why _this_ is such a leap. Maybe I’m just triggered by all the phoney ‘_this goes against eve’s core principles_’ comments. As if they weren’t already compromised years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Simplify\_Lipton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/simplify_lipton/32/298173_2.png) [@Simplify\_Lipton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Simplify_Lipton)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/612 "2022-03-10T21:34:04Z")
I started this game in 2018 because the idea that every ship I see, every module on it, the weapons charges, the implants in the capsule, all of this was created by a player. Seeing that they are now selling ships for for real money is beyond disgusting. The lack of integrity you guys are showing for OUR game that WE create the stories in, WE create the content, WE fight the wars, is disturbing. This is no longer a sandbox game. This is a game you swipe a card, receive a ship, lose it, then buy it again. This is a mobile game. Embarrassing display by CCP, you should all hang your heads in shame. Shame on you. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/613 "2022-03-10T21:34:19Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > This is why the whole thing took us aback. What took you aback? CCP selling SP all day every day? Which is what it looks like he was asking about. Or CCP selling Retrievers for a limited time? Which looks like you answering an unasked question. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Zephire\_LeStrange](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zephire_lestrange/32/311217_2.png) [@Zephire\_LeStrange](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zephire_LeStrange)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/615 "2022-03-10T21:39:22Z")
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