# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/851 "2022-03-12T09:22:27Z")
> [@RainReaper](#): > > they can just get a new ship from the store Again, can you afford to spend $100+ to replace a BS every time you lose one? Or say $25 for a Ret? I can’t/won’t but that’s just me. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/852 "2022-03-12T09:23:58Z")
> [@RainReaper](#): > > is siting there saying your gonna buy the retriever cause its such a good deal xD Please don’t misrepresent me. I am not doing that to you so I hope for the same. For the record I said I have no problem with ships being sold…I didn’t say I’d buy them. ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/853 "2022-03-12T09:25:10Z")
> [@RainReaper](#): > > why would they buy my ships? they can just get a new ship from the store If I don’t want the PLEX and SP for 24, 99 and don’t mind grinding I buy from “you” Industrialists but even if I buy the pack, I still have PLEX to convert into isk and I can then buy ships and modules from the Market. Packs aren’t there to circumvent the Market, contrary to what the hysterical posters have said in this thread. Look at it as a supplement to the Market and players’ choice. ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/854 "2022-03-12T09:25:26Z")
wait its regina that said they would buy the pack. i though that was you. ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/855 "2022-03-12T09:27:05Z")
well… someone dident get to sell a retriever cause you got it from ccp directly isntead. thats a circumvention of the market id say ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/856 "2022-03-12T09:30:54Z")
> [@RainReaper](#): > > circumvention of the market id say I can’t argue with that but there is a sliding scale going on here. If CCP sells 1 Retriever pack over this sale, meh, no worried. If they sell 5000 then yes, we have an issue. ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/857 "2022-03-12T09:31:22Z")
…and this 1 pack might just be the start hm? ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/858 "2022-03-12T09:32:05Z")
> [@RainReaper](#): > > well… someone dident get to sell a retriever cause you got it from ccp directly isntead. thats a circumvention of the market id say CCP gives me the choice to circumvent the Market at my leisure, whenever it suits me, and I thank them for it. That “someone” you memtion will just have to adapt and htfu or decide EVE isn’t for him. It goes for the whiners who complain about game machanics so it goes for those players deluded enough to think that EVE has a player-driven Market. There is no such thing as “player-driven” in MMOs since any game company can and has seeded their Market. ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/859 "2022-03-12T09:33:49Z")
i will say. im pacifistic as frick wich is why im trying to not be crazy and screaming that people are trolls cause they disagree or anything but i kinda get why those that are mad passionate about eve. wich is a game most of us here love. are lossing their ■■■■ att these packs potantialy apearing. the market as said by ccp themselves is very sacred to the core of eve. the reason people care is the value in the fact we build the things that people use. if that no longer matters. things might get mad stale and boring. ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/860 "2022-03-12T09:34:43Z")
well… why not jsut buy some plex? and sell those and then buy stuff from the market? ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/861 "2022-03-12T09:36:27Z")
Players _can_ do that now and I have. So if I can buy PLEX for cash to buy ships I don’t see why I shouldn’t be allowed to spend that cash on a pack. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/862 "2022-03-12T09:36:38Z")
> [@RainReaper](#): > > …and this 1 pack might just be the start hm? …and we’ve come full circle. Packs are not the issue as long as there are no bonuses. It’s the quantity of packs sold that _would_ be the issue. When this promo is done in April(?), we’ll look back and see the effect on prices for Rets…that should be telling to a degree. ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/863 "2022-03-12T09:37:24Z")
well… the problem isent the using of rl cash to buy plex. but to buy the ship itself and skip the whole process of either building it. or buying from someone that did build it. ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/864 "2022-03-12T09:41:15Z")
> [@RainReaper](#): > > …and skip the whole process of either building it. or buying from someone that did build it. You mean skip the whole process of mining, hauling, grinding and getting ganked in the process for two weeks or buying an overpriced ship from another player? You betcha. I’d rather give money to CCP for a pack knowing it will help the Devs than spend my money → PLEX → isk giving it to a player who just sold me a ship at 30% markup over the average. Yes. At least the Devs are working to maintain the game I play but what does the player do besides dreaming of trillions of isk then use that isk to make/buy ships to get his jollies ganking other players? ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/865 "2022-03-12T09:45:40Z")
…how about this. you dont buy the pack. and i get you a retriever for just 25m isk? ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/866 "2022-03-12T09:46:32Z")
accualy maybe a proc would be better those retrievers are gonna be glowing target markers for a while ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/867 "2022-03-12T09:49:34Z")
@RainReaper I may just take you up on that if you include the modules + rigs 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/868 "2022-03-12T09:51:04Z")
if you want mods and rigs with that its gonna cost you a bit more. 30m already lossing atleast 30% in walue selling the hull itself for so cheap man xD ---
**Author:** ![RainReaper](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rainreaper/32/310001_2.png) [@RainReaper](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RainReaper)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/869 "2022-03-12T09:52:05Z")
especialy cause that retriever dosent even have any rigs ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 9:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/870 "2022-03-12T09:52:57Z")
> [@RainReaper](#): > > 30m already lossing atleast 30% Sounds like a deal, let me check the current market price. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=39) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=41)