# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Khlaa\_Sor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khlaa_sor/32/434528_2.png) [@Khlaa\_Sor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khlaa_Sor)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1120 "2022-03-15T12:18:55Z")
In the context of this thoughtful thread, the following transmission is deemed suitable for broadcast: [begin] The Seven Gross Transgressions (GT) by CCP ultimately negating the value of being present in the New Eden: 1. PLEX trade for ISK (ability to “get rich” in New Eden with Terran credits, i.e. acquire in-universe assets while taking no in-universe action). The only acceptable use of PLEX is exactly what it means: Pilot License Extension (effectively New Eden residence permit) 2. Skill extractors/injectors (ability to convert permitted residence time into ISK without being active in-universe) 3. **Alfa** clones – ability to **reside in the New Eden without contributing to the universe-wide infrastructure upkeep and development** 4. Selling skillpoints for Terran credits 5. Selling ships for Terran credits 6. SoCT ships – as they are impactful, ubiquitous yet don’t require any materials but 1 Trit to build (infinite number can be produced by any BPO holder with near zero in-universe investment) 7. Gifting ship BPCs/hulls on login (depending on recipient’s situation, may be strategically consequential) The Three Lesser Transgressions (LT) by CCP detracting from resident engagement with the Universe (QoL upgrades): 1. Infinite skill queue (ability to acquire qualifications without any need to be even present in the New Eden, nor even pop in for a moment) – facilitating GT2 2. Remote skill injection (no need to take the pain of procuring skillbooks) 3. Safety setting in HUD (no need to be aware of actions and consequences) The Undesirable Action (UA) by CCP compromising fault-free operation of FTL routers and other vital hi-end elements of universe-wide infrastructure in the New Eden: - Reduction of the daily server downtime to just a few minutes. The Ruthless Atrocity (RA) committed by CCP in exacerbation of the above: - Resident deprivation of their quarters. [end] [origin] stateless infomorph most recently instantiated as Khlaa Sor et 2 (Jauv Kaer, Chhmar Daeng). First undock YC 113 ---
**Author:** ![Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inxentas_ultramar/32/385922_2.png) [@Inxentas\_Ultramar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inxentas_Ultramar)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1121 "2022-03-15T15:52:31Z")
I wanna say “signed” but you know what? I don’t care anymore. Just drive this company into the ground as hard as possible CCP. I’m not a paying customer anymore anyway. You get nothing by trying to win me back. Oh, and your policy that forbids political discourse reeks of prissy capitalist self-importance. You are nothing like the company you used to be. It’s over between us. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1122 "2022-03-15T16:10:19Z")
> [@Regina\_Rockbound](#): > > @Verlyn I thought you said you were leaving, biomassing and all … 🤔 > > You’re going to be yet another forum member who doesn’t play the game but criticizes CCP’s every move on here like our dear MrEpeen & company? First, when did I say I would biomass ? Second, nice stupid bait. Third, I would assume that having been a long standing citizen of the game since 2005, I would at least be granted the freedom to speak about it even after a formal retirement. Either way, your opinion on this doesn’t matter, nor will change anything to me being here. ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1123 "2022-03-15T18:06:35Z")
then leave and stay gone, including from the forums. we dont need your toxicity. ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Dcat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_dcat/32/312051_2.png) [@Felix\_Dcat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Dcat)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1124 "2022-03-15T18:08:15Z")
Signed ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1125 "2022-03-15T18:43:45Z")
and nothing happened? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1126 "2022-03-15T18:44:51Z")
We’re actively still talking about this. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1127 "2022-03-15T18:48:36Z")
They dont budge when it comes to such things, they didnt budge with hypernet, they will not budge with selling better ships for cash. They do this to get money. It must work, if it wouldnt work they would stop. ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1128 "2022-03-15T18:54:39Z")
any and all criticisms of hypernet were entirely without merit. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1129 "2022-03-15T19:07:46Z")
For people who put offers in store any criticism of selling anything in store is probably without merit. They did it on purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1130 "2022-03-15T20:14:58Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I acknowledge that they have sold SP directly enough that there’s no way for us to really effectively tell them not to do it anymore, even if it does reflect them going back on a promise they made. They haven’t (yet) sold SP as a singular product, but rather as part of a bundle with other items. And while the SP in the bundles is nice, 1.5mil-2mil doesn’t go very far. So while it is irritating, SP in an overall package isn’t the end of the world. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1131 "2022-03-15T20:25:26Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > SP in an overall package isn’t the end of the world. Nothing is. Only end of the world is end of the world. Thay can put anything whats in game right now for a price, more expensive if more rare. Star Citizen is selling a lot of ships for example, why CCP would not? Its their decision how much they want to earn or not. Probably producing those few ships in game by someone wouldnt give CCP as much money. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1132 "2022-03-15T20:26:31Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > They haven’t (yet) sold SP as a singular product, but rather as part of a bundle with other items Au contraire, mon ami. ![Special](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/b/5/fb5ecd0ec6a8464c21b3a7002ed3df7b800b0bb7.png) Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1133 "2022-03-15T20:36:42Z")
I haven’t seen that. Recent? (BTW, I wouldn’t pay $200-4300 anyway (though I’m sure someone would)). ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/small_kitty_paws/32/267673_2.png) [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Small_Kitty_Paws)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1134 "2022-03-15T20:39:00Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Recent? Exactly year old. afik introduced in march of 2021 ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1135 "2022-03-15T20:39:57Z")
It’s for people who have been away from the game a long time. It varies but basically correlates to the amount of SP they would have had if they had stayed subscribed. It also is a good indicator of who actually doesn’t play the game, despite constantly posting on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1136 "2022-03-15T20:43:09Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > Recent? Yes. Not that it matters. You didn’t qualify your statement with a specific time period. > [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > (BTW, I wouldn’t pay $200-4300 anyway (though I’m sure someone would)). How is that relevant? > [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](#): > > Exactly year old. afik introduced in march of 2021 They did just relaunch it in Jan or Feb. I’d have to check my mails to be more specific. But it’s still available for those that got that mail. Edit: Found one. ![NewSpec](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/2/0/02053de9bc9880f1dfb6c2721b25e79aadf9f33e.png) Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1137 "2022-03-15T20:49:32Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > It also is a good indicator of who actually doesn’t play the game, despite constantly posting on the forums. Posts like yours are a good indicator of some poor that only has one acct. You’re playing the game wrong, brother. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1138 "2022-03-15T22:29:49Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > Either way, your opinion on this doesn’t matter, nor will change anything to me being here Facts… Yet another ex-player who’ll be commenting on the sideline à la Epeen ---
**Author:** ![Nikerym\_Lestroy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nikerym_lestroy/32/374856_2.png) [@Nikerym\_Lestroy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nikerym_Lestroy)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2022, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1139 "2022-03-15T22:38:33Z")
> The Undesirable Action (UA) by CCP compromising fault-free operation of FTL routers and other vital hi-end elements of universe-wide infrastructure in the New Eden: > Reduction of the daily server downtime to just a few minutes. While i can agree with the rest of your post, as someone in AUTZ who literally has to deal with DT every single night in the middle of my prime playtime. This was an amazing change, and i hope they can figure out a way to remove downtime entirely. (or once a week or something) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=52) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=54)