# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 66
**Author:** ![Father\_Delve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/father_delve/32/286508_2.png) [@Father\_Delve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Father_Delve)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1388 "2022-03-19T00:27:36Z")
Newbros losing their ships because they are not enough prepared. People getting ganked because they are most likely doing mistakes. Newbros dont leave the game because they dont have a Retriever, they leave because our only development for them was an overgloryfied NPE Hollywood Trailer, that spits them out after 15 minutes, Into xyz Ship they bought in the store, they will lose hours later again. ---
**Author:** ![Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ciryc_lagrej/32/375359_2.png) [@Ciryc\_Lagrej](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ciryc_Lagrej)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1389 "2022-03-19T00:32:44Z")
> [@CCP\_Swift](#): > > The destroyer-themed starter packs showed that there is not only an appetite for this kind of option but that these pilots transition into bona fide EVE players; they have aspirations, desire to interact with others, and contribute to EVE’s thriving ecosystem – they become tenured and impactful citizens of New Eden. By using their credit card to get ahead. this is a real ■■■■ arguement for making players that dont just pay and have things appear out of the ether. These packs should NOT exist period. ---
**Author:** ![Cpt\_Soban](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cpt_soban/32/367858_2.png) [@Cpt\_Soban](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cpt_Soban)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1390 "2022-03-19T00:34:05Z")
Out of all the ships they could pick- They chose a MINING BARGE… Mining is the dullest, most boring form of gameplay in eve. And CCP in their wisdom thought THAT was a great way to get new players to stay?! Offer new tutorial missions, fly as a “cadet” for your chosen faction, complete missions against NPC’s, get rewarded with modules and ship hulls (which is already a thing for the training agents). Go beyond that, get ranks, upgrade to frigates/dessies, with fitted modules for completing major “end boss” missions (like, great you found the terrorist hideout, now wipe out the base and you’ll be rewarded a Cormorant). At least that takes TIME, and EFFORT. Not a credit card swipe. Go beyond that and have nullsec Alliance missions following the same path. Get bonus rewards for forming alliance fleets (50%+ ISK or something) get people out there running sites (not locked down by instanced gates or abyssal sites). Enemies roaming your space now have something to fight- Join the local NPC rats and kill the local null fleet. Get rewarded by the pirate faction etc. There are SO MANY WAYS they could reward players here- And they chose the laziest option. ---
**Author:** ![Ranshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranshe/32/468747_2.png) [@Ranshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranshe)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1391 "2022-03-19T00:35:11Z")
> [@Cpt\_Soban](#): > > Out of all the ships they could pick- They chose a MINING BARGE… Somewhere in Iceland a marketing person is crying in a corner going “I knew we should have gone with the Gila pack”… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1392 "2022-03-19T00:35:44Z")
> [@CCP\_Swift](#): > > Capsuleers, > We hear your concerns about the Prospector Pack. CCP Swift; This letter was posted 9 days ago. The Pack in question was part of an event that is over, and so the pack is no longer available. That you did not respond until _now_ tells us literally everything we need to know. CCP stonewalled on this. You just waited for the pack to make all the money it could for you, and then you come here saying ‘we have removed the Prospector pack’. Stop insulting us, Elise. We’re not nearly as stupid as you guys want us to be. > [@Noobshot\_Elongur](#): > > Thank you for listening, though. They didn’t. They got what they wanted, and once their sale finished up as it was always planned to, they sent Swift here to make nice and give the players little headpats so we’d feel placated. Because they believe we’re stupid enough to not notice. > [@Cpt\_Soban](#): > > Out of all the ships they could pick- They chose a MINING BARGE… Out of all the ships they could pick, they chose one that the recent changes place in high demand, that can _only_ be used by accounts they are _already getting money for_ (Omegas only. No alphas in barges, you know). It wasn’t about getting new players to _stay_ it was to suck down as much money as they could from them before they quit. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_yamaguchi/32/495255_2.png) [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1393 "2022-03-19T00:39:49Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > We’re not nearly as stupid as you guys want us to be. Yet here you are…still. If you were actually PO’ed, you would leave. There was more REAL outrage and action during the _Blackout_ than this… ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1394 "2022-03-19T00:43:36Z")
> [@Loki\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Yet here you are…still. If you were actually PO’ed, you would leave. Already cancelled. I don’t have to pay to voice my anger, and I’m not gonna have to pay to write the much longer version of it on INN. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1395 "2022-03-19T00:44:32Z")
I bet CCP Swift didn’t even write it - it probably came from the PR department. ---
**Author:** ![bardghost\_Isu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bardghost_isu/32/312502_2.png) [@bardghost\_Isu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bardghost_Isu)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1397 "2022-03-19T00:48:27Z")
more likely the lore department , the same as when hilmar wrote the apology to the summer of rage ---
**Author:** ![Auran\_Glimmer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/auran_glimmer/32/375146_2.png) [@Auran\_Glimmer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Auran_Glimmer)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1398 "2022-03-19T00:52:03Z")
I mean how many retriever packs could they have sold? 30? Just have a GM char buy 30 retrievers off market and trash them. They could do it on stream, it’d be a big hit. ---
**Author:** ![Pook600](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pook600/32/359004_2.png) [@Pook600](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pook600)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1399 "2022-03-19T00:52:19Z")
Wow, dude… PR give you this to copy/paste? I am taking a bit of a break. I want to see this game continue another 19 years, but I just don’t see it with the current “leadership”, I don’t have much hope. When I heard that CCP is treating the game like a game in sunset mode/milking customers until it dies completely, it reminded me of a few other games I rode out til the end. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1400 "2022-03-19T00:56:21Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > First of all, I don’t think P2W is a binary, but a spectrum. The packs are aimed at newbies. What, exactly, is any newbie in danger of ‘winning’…given most of the oldbies can’t even decide what ‘winning’ even means. Is there an imminent danger of some solo noob in a Retriever taking over the entire universe and threatening all the trillion ISK industrialists ? One would think so, judging by the fuss here. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1401 "2022-03-19T01:01:53Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > This letter was posted 9 days ago. The Pack in question was part of an event that is over, and so the pack is no longer available. That you did not respond until _now_ tells us literally everything we need to know. CCP stonewalled on this. You just waited for the pack to make all the money it could for you, and then you come here saying ‘we have removed the Prospector pack’. The blog about it still says the sale of these packs would be until the 31st. It is only the 18th. (I understand time is meaningless these days) ---
**Author:** ![Evie\_Kouvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evie_kouvo/32/435464_2.png) [@Evie\_Kouvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evie_Kouvo)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1402 "2022-03-19T01:02:39Z")
no the blog post specifically refers to the two packs that are currently up still ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1403 "2022-03-19T01:06:10Z")
Hmmm… Solid point. I would still suggest that they didn’t plan on stopping the pack on a Friday and not when the event was over. I’m not saying that you have to accept it as good enough, but evidence points to the fact that they did cancel it early. ---
**Author:** ![Moriar\_theChosen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/moriar_thechosen/32/368191_2.png) [@Moriar\_theChosen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Moriar_theChosen)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1404 "2022-03-19T01:08:58Z")
This is a great response. Thanks for all your hard work and dealing with these difficult situations. ---
**Author:** ![Evie\_Kouvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evie_kouvo/32/435464_2.png) [@Evie\_Kouvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evie_Kouvo)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1405 "2022-03-19T01:09:00Z")
i think we can all agree things like this shouldn’t happen in the first place. and when we take them down we don’t say “we have removed the Prospector pack from [secure.eveonline.com](http://secure.eveonline.com) UNTIL this program is in place”. like come on you took it down, keep it down, don’t ever bring this back. and to make it worse its still up on other sales apps like Steam. As of right now its just down on eve stores to make players happy. ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1406 "2022-03-19T01:11:38Z")
I interpreted that as they have a plan to restructure the path to growth in EVE and they tipped their hand out of context. For now it goes on the pile of “FanFest sure has a lot of checks to cash” ---
**Author:** ![Evie\_Kouvo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evie_kouvo/32/435464_2.png) [@Evie\_Kouvo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evie_Kouvo)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1407 "2022-03-19T01:13:27Z")
i hope. i’ve lost of lot of optimism recently and its turned into wishful thinking and hope. i’m concerned for the future of the game and i want it be successful but this trend is dark edit for clarity: I hope your interpretation is right, I hope ccp is reflecting on this and their plan to “restructure their path of growth.” ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1408 "2022-03-19T01:14:47Z")
What part of that was hope? I suspect they could very well be overdrafting the account, to continue the analagy. He said we will have to wait to understand. I better understand. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=65) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=67)