# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 79
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1660 "2022-03-22T21:39:16Z")
> [@Remi\_Lacroix](#): > > You’re arguing that you’d rather see eve die than pull in new players. That’s a you issue, and it makes your opinion worthless. And this is where you’ve done messed up. You’re willing to ‘pull in new players’ at whatever cost, and you’re willing to sink to whatever depth to do it. You can only see the game your way and all other opinions, perspectives, and experiences be damned. You think this gives you the right to declare other opinions worthless. You don’t get to do that. That’s a _you_ issue, and one you’re going to have a very bad time in this game if you can’t get off your high horse about. Did it ever occur to you that maybe one of the reasons null sec wars have dried up is because CCP made a bunch of changes to the game that discouraged the proliferation of small groups and encouraged centralization, thereby driving away a lot of the players who did take risks? _AND_ in doing so, they pushed people into situations where they were always chasing ‘the next big fight’ because CCP found those big fights marketable? Now your solution is to tell people they don’t have to wait, don’t have to learn, don’t have to put in time and effort. They can get it now, just spend 25 bucks on this pack, or that pack, or that pack. What do you think that’s going to do to the playerbase? Rhetorical question. I don’t need to hear more excuses from someone who thinks bitter vet status is based on a number. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1661 "2022-03-22T22:04:41Z")
> [@Remi\_Lacroix](#): > > It is simply ridiculous to expect that eve online would not change with the rest of the industry, even a little. Yes, SWG changed with the rest of the market and subs dropped by a third… > [@Remi\_Lacroix](#): > > I think all of us can agree that we prefer eve online to remain in existence, yes? This isn’t a ship of Theseus situation. They are changes to fundamental concepts that make Eve different from other games. And those differences is why we play Eve. SOE made their game more like WoW in an attempt to get more players; they ended up with a net loss… > [@Remi\_Lacroix](#): > > There is no draw for new players if there is no way for them to compete with older players. Funny, I’ve brought in 3 new players the last two years. And while they can’t compete with my character one on one, they can help any group be better by adding their efforts to it. Which means they can contribute to the betterment of the whole. M2 literally happened because of a new player making a tackle… > [@Remi\_Lacroix](#): > > I should think that the player base would stop complaining about every little change and maybe think about the long term survival of this game we cherish. Fundamental changes to the game we cherish means it isn’t the game we cherish… ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1662 "2022-03-22T22:28:17Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > Yes, SWG changed with the rest of the market and subs dropped by a third… HA ! This. > [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > Funny, I’ve brought in 3 new players the last two years. And while they can’t compete with my character one on one, they can help any group be better by adding their efforts to it. Which means they can contribute to the betterment of the whole. M2 literally happened because of a new player making a tackle… See it’s one thing relying on players to teach eachother over the game’s specific culture/environment, no matter how small a task you perform in said environment at your own level. It’s another thing to just hand them over everything on a silver platter because, _“oh we care so much about you poor little noob not being able to catch up”_, When in reality it all boils down to: _“We want your money, so here, fast-track all that unnecessary stuff !”_ … ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1663 "2022-03-22T22:33:03Z")
The real problem isn’t the actions of CCP. The real problem is that all of the original developers have left and the company has lost its vision. Once a company is left with nothing but bureaucrats (aka managers), lawyers, marketing people, and a couple of software tweakers, how can it be expected to keep its focus and act decisively? ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1664 "2022-03-22T22:44:57Z")
Wholeheartedly agree. I could have missed one, but I think the last ‘Here’s our dream for Eve’ I saw that actually had some substance was back from Seagull’s days, and man, I don’t wanna give her too much praise because she brought in the injectors. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1665 "2022-03-22T22:49:40Z")
Injectors, like PLEX, may have been inevitable. Asset safety and war dec immunity weren’t necessary at all. On the rare occasions when CCP has some kind of vision, it ends up being something stupid, like Edencom or filaments. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1666 "2022-03-22T22:58:17Z")
> [@Kenrailae](#): > > Seagull’s days, and man, I don’t wanna give her too much praise because she brought in the injectors. She pretty much started the whole _"but noobs gotta have a chance to catch up ! "_ bandwagon. Then she left CCP to have her kid, and the slow slope suddenly turned into a speeding cliff. ---
**Author:** ![Remi\_Lacroix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remi_lacroix/32/494680_2.png) [@Remi\_Lacroix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remi_Lacroix)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1667 "2022-03-22T23:19:11Z")
I stopped reading after the first few sentences. I accept all perspectives except wanting to kill this game. I, and many others, enjoy this game. I’m sorry that you’d rather see it dead. That is entirely a you issue. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1668 "2022-03-22T23:19:49Z")
Then do me a favor and stop replying to me, too. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Remi\_Lacroix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remi_lacroix/32/494680_2.png) [@Remi\_Lacroix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remi_Lacroix)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1669 "2022-03-22T23:20:01Z")
if you two would rather see the game dead, then stop playing. It’s not that hard. ---
**Author:** ![Remi\_Lacroix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remi_lacroix/32/494680_2.png) [@Remi\_Lacroix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remi_Lacroix)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1670 "2022-03-22T23:20:37Z")
I didn’t stop responding. I’m busy. You’re not a priority. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1671 "2022-03-22T23:21:01Z")
Bitter vet. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![Remi\_Lacroix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remi_lacroix/32/494680_2.png) [@Remi\_Lacroix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remi_Lacroix)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1672 "2022-03-22T23:25:03Z")
oh, the futility of trying to make bittervets see anything beyond their bitterness. projecting your status onto me doesn’t change who you are. Be better. ---
**Author:** ![SaTai\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/satai_v/32/295843_2.png) [@SaTai\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SaTai_V)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 8:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1673 "2022-03-23T08:05:43Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Brisc Rubal Mr. Brisc Rubal, By now you should know : The Arrogant Have No Ears. And After what CCP did to you… I question if this account is even you. And if it is you, you let them off WAY too easy. I remember watching you on youtube. You seem too nice of a guy. And when you had the winning hand you should have run them into the ground. Yet here you are advocating for change in an entity you know all to well. In the entire history that I know of… EVE has only apologized 2 times. 1 Was Hilmar himself. And 2 was you. CCP is absolutely unapologetic. So it does Not take an attorney or a genius to know that: A Public Apology from them is the sign of the losing end of litigation or the threat of it. You had a chance to deliver justice. And you should have. ---
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1674 "2022-03-23T08:13:10Z")
Short and simple. This move pissed me off so much I’m only logging in to keep my structure fueled. Taking a break. Civ 6 is satisfying my neurotic game playing. Could be a long break. ---
**Author:** ![Induce\_Deadline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/induce_deadline/32/418955_2.png) [@Induce\_Deadline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Induce_Deadline)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1675 "2022-03-23T08:19:32Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > They will probably add some NPC that buys fitted ships for some kind of LP or some stuff and then pretend like it’s those ships they use in the packs. I think this is exactly what they intend, similar to the Black Market Auction House that feeds the loot system in Albion Online… Only they’ll be monetising it! ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1676 "2022-03-23T09:15:45Z")
> [@Remi\_Lacroix](#): > > if you two would rather see the game dead, then stop playing. It’s not that hard. Oh we did stop playing, and many more to bleed out over the next year or so. The game is already FUBAR. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1677 "2022-03-23T09:17:52Z")
> [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](#): > > Short and simple. This move pissed me off so much I’m only logging in to keep my structure fueled. Taking a break. Civ 6 is satisfying my neurotic game playing. Could be a long break. Take it a step further and unsub. No use clinging on to this mess anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1678 "2022-03-23T09:27:36Z")
> [@SaTai\_V](#): > > You had a chance to deliver justice. And you should have. What did we miss here ? Brisc could’ve had legal leverage over CCP ? How ? When ? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1679 "2022-03-23T14:28:05Z")
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