# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![5162321\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/5162321_pollard/32/291624_2.png) [@5162321\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/5162321_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/154 "2022-03-09T22:45:58Z")
Again give proof of your claims. You have only give the they have shiny and i dont as a point. 0/10 defense. Please provide actual proof if you wish to have arguments taken seriously ---
**Author:** ![alesha\_Jasmone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alesha_jasmone/32/310923_2.png) [@alesha\_Jasmone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/alesha_Jasmone)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/155 "2022-03-09T22:46:13Z")
signed ---
**Author:** ![Corin\_Adoulin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corin_adoulin/32/310883_2.png) [@Corin\_Adoulin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corin_Adoulin)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/156 "2022-03-09T22:46:17Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/4/1/e415278dd49d99d6b40a26ea8a30e0d6307b2e7c.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/158 "2022-03-09T22:46:48Z")
We often have discussions of “slippery slopes” and whether something crosses the line. Retriever BPOs cost 1.2 billion unresearched and must be recovered from null security space, those who were working to fill the need have been totally screwed by this decision. This crosses the line If this does not cross the line, then there is no line. This cannot stand. This must not become acceptable for the sake of all of EVE Online. Signed ---
**Author:** ![URDEAD2ME](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/urdead2me/32/475095_2.png) [@URDEAD2ME](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/URDEAD2ME)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/159 "2022-03-09T22:46:50Z")
/signed ---
**Author:** ![Xenon\_Inubara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xenon_inubara/32/310922_2.png) [@Xenon\_Inubara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xenon_Inubara)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/160 "2022-03-09T22:46:58Z")
/signed ---
**Author:** ![Breakneck\_Bjarni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/breakneck_bjarni/32/482402_2.png) [@Breakneck\_Bjarni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Breakneck_Bjarni)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/161 "2022-03-09T22:47:30Z")
I completely agree with Brisc. I almost never post on the forum, but I feel like this needs as much support as it can get. ---
**Author:** ![5162321\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/5162321_pollard/32/291624_2.png) [@5162321\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/5162321_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/162 "2022-03-09T22:47:32Z")
And my point has hurt your feelings. Please train feelings to V to continue ---
**Author:** ![Arianhrod\_Begin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arianhrod_begin/32/310926_2.png) [@Arianhrod\_Begin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arianhrod_Begin)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/163 "2022-03-09T22:48:09Z")
RIP, EVE is officially Pay To Win. Can’t make the argument against it now (as hard as it was before). CCP, get rid of this sale and don’t do another one again. ---
**Author:** ![Corin\_Adoulin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corin_adoulin/32/310883_2.png) [@Corin\_Adoulin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corin_Adoulin)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/164 "2022-03-09T22:48:30Z")
are you five years old or something, what’s so hard about proving something if it’s so important, like you say it is ---
**Author:** ![Darkshaunz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkshaunz/32/358758_2.png) [@Darkshaunz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darkshaunz)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/165 "2022-03-09T22:48:34Z")
/signed You can do better than this CCP ---
**Author:** ![Ashterothi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashterothi/32/459299_2.png) [@Ashterothi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ashterothi)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/166 "2022-03-09T22:48:35Z")
> [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](#): > > So its ok to dump tn’s of isk into the hands of select players but providing a 4m ISK margin on a nothing ship to noobs in a £20 pack is out of order? STFU, you absolute lemming, go ask Brisc or Merk for a script on how to handle that response. Yes absolutely. Giving players resources, selling plex, even giving streamers plex and skins are all stimulating the economy, this undermines it. There is a big difference. If they gave streamers fit Retrievers it would be just as bad BTW. ---
**Author:** ![jonmuis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonmuis/32/374317_2.png) [@jonmuis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/jonmuis)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/167 "2022-03-09T22:48:39Z")
Signed we have been letting them move the line inch by inch. no wonder so many of the old ccp employees have go on to other projects ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/168 "2022-03-09T22:49:59Z")
> [@Shinigami\_Shinda](#): > > up my fear, today it’s barge and tomorrow a Hulk next month a rorqual and then a super/titan. > After all the horror industry f\* ups. > Scarcity that was never fixed see values of null ores. (bistot and arkonor the so called newbee traps) > There was finally a poor fix via compression of moon ore making mining it atleast for the R32 worth it again but compared to pre scarity the isk/h got not rly reversed😒 If you’re too stupid to understand that mineral prices are set by players and not by CCP, then you’re too stupid to comment on the implications of CCP selling ships in extremely-overpriced real-life money packs, regardless of whether or not you’re _incidentally_ right about the matter. > [@Corin\_Adoulin](#): > > Show me some actual proof this happened, please. It would be greatly appreciated. It was all pretty well-documented. Do some research online. I’ve been here for 18 years, and can confirm what he’s saying. ---
**Author:** ![SlackWater](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slackwater/32/482400_2.png) [@SlackWater](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SlackWater)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/170 "2022-03-09T22:51:07Z")
signed ---
**Author:** ![Franklin\_Knox](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/franklin_knox/32/262905_2.png) [@Franklin\_Knox](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Franklin_Knox)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/171 "2022-03-09T22:51:48Z")
CCP continues to squander the great game they have with monetization schemes like this. /signed ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/172 "2022-03-09T22:52:43Z")
I’m actually making a post reaching out for reps, brb. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard\_Lotte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lizard_lotte/32/310933_2.png) [@Lizard\_Lotte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lizard_Lotte)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/173 "2022-03-09T22:53:34Z")
/signed ---
**Author:** ![Pampel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pampel/32/310935_2.png) [@Pampel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pampel)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/174 "2022-03-09T22:53:59Z")
/signed ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/175 "2022-03-09T22:54:11Z")
> [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](#): > > Brisc & Merk have let loose a school of retards, crying about the 4m ISK Jita Retriever margin, meanwhile they’ve got an alliance of T2BPO’s that has gutted a quadrillion ISK off the T2 market. > > Troglodytes. There’s no margin, actually. The Retriever in the pack is _ **massively** _ overpriced. See my post: > [@PROSPECTOR PACK "READY TO FLY RETRIEVER"](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/prospector-pack-ready-to-fly-retriever/352705/16): > > HAY GUYS I DID SOME METH So $25 for the pack, right? Taking out the monthly sub ($15), you’re left with $10 for 100 PLEX and the Retriever. Alternatively, you can buy a monthly sub for $15 and a 240 PLEX package for $10. This means that CCP is giving their Retriever a valuation of 140 PLEX, or about 420 million ISK at current prices. The value of the Retriever in the pack is right around 60 million ISK. This means that CCP is charging a 600% markup on their Retriever. They would need to includ… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=9)