# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1680 "2022-03-23T14:49:03Z")
> [@SaTai\_V](#): > > 1 Was Hilmar himself. No it wasn’t. The Fiction Team wrote that apology. Which should tell you what Hilmar considered it. > [@Verlyn](#): > > What did we miss here ? Two years ago, Brisc was kicked off the CSM and banned because someone in a hostile alliance told another CSM that Brisc was leaking and effectively manipulating market value on faction supers. The guy who started the rumor was intentionally just being a lying jerk, and the other CSM was obligated by the terms of the CSM to report it. CCP then utterly failed to do any due diligence, took action, and (critically) issued a public statement accusing Brisc (whose real name, face, and occupation as a lawyer and lobbyist are well-documented parts of his EVE/CSM identity) of (among other things) violating the NDA. To make that short: they publicly accused a lawyer of doing something that’d get him disbarred, without a single shred of evidence. Because it wasn’t true. Brisc kept his cool, talked with CCP, and things got straightened out when CCP decided to actually do an investigation into the accusations and found… ‘oh, this well-known troll and jerk is being a trollish jerk’. CCP apologized and reversed the ban, but he sat out the remainder of that term and the next, before deciding he was willing to do the CSM again. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1681 "2022-03-23T14:55:45Z")
> [@SaTai\_V](#): > > Mr. Brisc Rubal, By now you should know : The Arrogant Have No Ears. And After what CCP did to you… I question if this account is even you. And if it is you, you let them off WAY too easy. > > I remember watching you on youtube. You seem too nice of a guy. And when you had the winning hand you should have run them into the ground. Yet here you are advocating for change in an entity you know all to well. > > In the entire history that I know of… EVE has only apologized 2 times. 1 Was Hilmar himself. And 2 was you. CCP is absolutely unapologetic. So it does Not take an attorney or a genius to know that: A Public Apology from them is the sign of the losing end of litigation or the threat of it. > > You had a chance to deliver justice. And you should have. Trust me, I got what I wanted from them. I’m not a vindictive person - in my line of work you can’t afford to be. The guy who hates you one day is your friend and supporter the next. But I like to think that what happened does give me a unique position when dealing with folks, and one that I am trying to use for the benefit of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1682 "2022-03-23T14:58:02Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > What did we miss here ? Arrendis covered most of it, but it wasn’t just Brisc IIRC that got banned, but also Pando and Shines, too. It was no small action taken by CCP without doing basic investigation and fact verification. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1684 "2022-03-23T16:40:39Z")
> [@Verlyn](#): > > So why are we still here paying these guys money again ? You are not paying them money. As to why you are still here, one can only speculate. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Shinigami\_Shinda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shinigami_shinda/32/395448_2.png) [@Shinigami\_Shinda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shinigami_Shinda)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1685 "2022-03-23T16:55:13Z")
Tbh I think you did not understand how it works with mineral prices. The price is set by needs by player and quantitys from other sources for Eg. Reprocessing rat loot besides the ore. And the one that did rework all building was ccp therefore the rootcourse is not the players that did react to the changes if you look deeper into it, it’s the changes of ccp that these are not needed enough. Besides it was not the players that created the unbalance within the ores too. Before scarcity the ores also contained a lot of other minerals besides mega and zydrin which buffered the low value of zydrin and mega and made it worth it. Now without that only junk is left which sadly I get in the same quantity with reprocessing ratting loot in the same time frame as mining it. Which clearly beat bistot and arkonor as source. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1687 "2022-03-23T18:26:58Z")
> [@Kenrailae](#): > > And this is where you’ve done messed up. You’re willing to ‘pull in new players’ at whatever cost, and you’re willing to sink to whatever depth to do it. You can only see the game your way and all other opinions, perspectives, and experiences be damned. You think this gives you the right to declare other opinions worthless. You don’t get to do that. That’s a _you_ issue, and one you’re going to have a very bad time in this game if you can’t get off your high horse about. As an actual new player I agree with Remi. The game is incredibly frustrating for noobs. Bear in mind that every noob could be doing something else. The foremost question in every noob’s mind is not how this or that works…but ‘why am I here ?’ It takes waaaaaay too long to ‘get anywhere’ in Eve. Players have to have a sense of getting somewhere, and fast…or they get bored. What people’s experience was like 10 or 20 years ago is irrelevant. Loads of Elder Scrolls vets complained when the complex and clunky system in Morrowind was ‘dumbed down’ for Oblivion…yet the new game was every bit as hard, just not as cumbersome. And that is all a lot of people are asking for with Eve. If the skills queue gets shortened and people cope just fine…well then there wasn’t a problem with shortening it in the first place. If the skills queue gets shortened and people cannot cope…the player ( rather than the system ) has the option of waiting longer. A win either way ! ---
**Author:** ![SaTai\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/satai_v/32/295843_2.png) [@SaTai\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SaTai_V)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1688 "2022-03-23T18:38:57Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Trust me, I got what I wanted from them. I’m sure you did. What I’m saying is you were in a unique position to benefit the userbase Not just the game. When people talk about your case, everything gets blown up/overload with 50 tons of detailed finger pointing. The Simple bottom line is: they hatched **A Plan to Grab a Headline** … and the whole thing blew up in their face. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1689 "2022-03-23T19:07:01Z")
Corporations are a lot smarter now. They just say “So-and-so was removed after an internal investigation.” If you don’t provide any details, it can’t be libel. ---
**Author:** ![Remi\_Lacroix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remi_lacroix/32/494680_2.png) [@Remi\_Lacroix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remi_Lacroix)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1690 "2022-03-23T22:49:45Z")
for every one of you that quits, i make a new account and pay for omega. Those of us that want to see eve last will always outperform those of you that want to see it dead. ---
**Author:** ![CMDR\_Boran\_Lucious](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cmdr_boran_lucious/32/308554_2.png) [@CMDR\_Boran\_Lucious](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CMDR_Boran_Lucious)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1691 "2022-03-23T23:42:51Z")
> [@Shipwreck\_Jones](#): > > **Who does plex empower?** - Finally, who does Plex actually empower? Well, it’s certainly not the people who think it will provide them a shortcut to success. In fact, the big winners here are not the people who buy it with cash, but the people who buy it with isk, as it allows them to create and sub specialized alts that increase their isk efficiency (i.e. multiboxing rorqs, WH sites, abyss, incursions) and PvP capabilities (i.e. FC scout alts, cloaky campers, logi/booster backup, multiboxer gank squad). And while it’s true that you can pay subs to do this, a significant number of these accounts would not exist if their owners had to pay cash for them. As I said before, I can’t justify spending thousands of dollars on a video game every year. However, I do suck down thousands of dollars worth of plex and MPTC’s a year because I can pay through play. I have to respectfully disagree on that one. If we consider your spectrum, Eve falls in the middle, green section because in theory everything you can buy with Plex can be obtained in game. However, when it comes to who it empowers? first it empowers the greedy stakeholders and Perl Abyss , a company known for microtransactions. second, it empowers the 1% extremely wealthy (ISK wise) players who can afford buying plex like peanuts and spawn omega accounts like there is no tomorrow. Eve multiboxing is a malignant cancer because it was allowed to mutate into an uncontrollable monstrosity. Every “that which has no life” player can now multibox with relative ease due to plex which is def a MASSIVE advantage, especially if you are a miner or an industrialist with alts like an ant colony. third, it empowers the RL rich players who can afford spending thousands of dollars on PLEX and easily bypass the skill cap required to pilot ships or perform certain functions with a huge advantage. So for the 99% of players who have life beyond Eve or don’t have the financials to buy PLEX , the introduction of PLEX and skill injectors ruined the experience and turned it into a game where buying PLEX is perceived as required in order to become even remotely competitive. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1692 "2022-03-23T23:50:57Z")
Why in the ■■■■ is this post hidden? [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1686?u=codename\_razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1686) * * * ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2022, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1693 "2022-03-23T23:53:26Z")
Rumor mongering. Edit: probably. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1694 "2022-03-24T00:02:31Z")
Because it’s a passive aggressive clown post. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1695 "2022-03-24T00:10:10Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Rumor mongering. It’s not a rumor, it’s a fact that CCP manipulates the market. They admit it. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Dashing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dashing/32/411198_2.png) [@Dashing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dashing)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1696 "2022-03-24T00:37:08Z")
It’s not CCP doing it, it’s the whole gaming industry and the free to play model. The box can’t be shut now, just adapt and find a play style within it, or don’t play the game anymore. Write it off like and old love and keep a screenshot of your toon before you biomass it. I love the subscription model games over FTP if they’re balanced. This game is so far from balanced, it can never find it’s way back. Yet, it’s still sort of fun until a better space game roles out that is actually real and not just a virtual spaceship store. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 5:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1697 "2022-03-24T05:59:15Z")
> [@Remi\_Lacroix](#): > > for every one of you that quits, i make a new account and pay for omega. Those of us that want to see eve last will always outperform those of you that want to see it dead. Before you said this, I just thought you were poorly informed and confused. Now I see you’re a liar and a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Nico\_Christened](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_christened/32/439994_2.png) [@Nico\_Christened](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Christened)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1698 "2022-03-24T06:07:35Z")
It’s time for a massive shakeup of the leadership team over at CCP. I wish we could call for a vote of no confidence and chase these destructive people OUT. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1699 "2022-03-24T07:58:18Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > It’s not a rumor, it’s a fact that CCP manipulates the market. They admit it. [Citation needed] ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1700 "2022-03-24T09:01:06Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > You are not paying them money. As to why you are still here, one can only speculate. That was easy … and I was one edit away from silencing you … ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 9:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1701 "2022-03-24T09:03:10Z")
> [@Remi\_Lacroix](#): > > for every one of you that quits, i make a new account and pay for omega. Those of us that want to see eve last will always outperform those of you that want to see it dead. oKaY 3oOmEr Get ready to deepen your pockets then … [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=79) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=81)