# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1722 "2022-03-24T21:03:27Z")
> [@Carmanah](#): > > Being a decade+ vet, in null-sec, whose daily driver is a T1 Caracal this makes me laugh a little - not gonna lie. I agree with this sentiment. One of the players I brought in recently (last 2 years) is already able to fly most of the subcap doctrine ships from the Imperium. There are a few they can’t… but they can fly T1 logi in those. All the successful groups I’ve been in have always looked for ways so new players can contribute to help the cause. New players don’t need to “catch up” to contribute. Veterans need to use their superior knowledge to educate new players while helping said new players find a way to contribute. As Merk said: make a good space game and get out of our way. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1724 "2022-03-25T12:02:40Z")
There’s no official stance. You’ll have to ask each member. I personally don’t like tether on general principle. ---
**Author:** ![Yareah\_Or](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yareah_or/32/463190_2.png) [@Yareah\_Or](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yareah_Or)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1725 "2022-03-25T12:17:08Z")
Yes, they were hoping you were not 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Yareah\_Or](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yareah_or/32/463190_2.png) [@Yareah\_Or](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yareah_Or)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1726 "2022-03-25T12:21:36Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > EVE favours effort, knowledge and preparation. Provably wrong. Eve once did but a n+1 account monetisation policy was since introduced. The only time CCP moves fast is to close any loopholes to favour n+1 in near all areas of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Yareah\_Or](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yareah_or/32/463190_2.png) [@Yareah\_Or](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yareah_Or)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1727 "2022-03-25T12:25:10Z")
They’ve done worse and do worse on a weekly basis. If you actually look into the the CSM you’d see CCP just hand picks who they want. Loads of players are rejected by CCP despite player votes. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1728 "2022-03-25T12:26:30Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I personally don’t like tether on general principle. Perhaps you could ask CCP about giving structure owners the ability to block players based on their security status. It would be much easier than constantly updating a “block list”. Thanks for responding. * * * #Maybe not all Goons are bad… ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1729 "2022-03-25T12:27:51Z")
@Brisc_Rubal has changed my mind about this subject. * * * _/Signed_ ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1730 "2022-03-25T12:28:28Z")
I’m sorry. I just needed to sit down and drink some water. I nearly passed out ---
**Author:** ![Yareah\_Or](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yareah_or/32/463190_2.png) [@Yareah\_Or](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yareah_Or)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1731 "2022-03-25T12:29:23Z")
It is actually quite surprising they worked with you at all again despite their mistake. I’d have thought they’d just have paid you off. I know you are not an employee of CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1732 "2022-03-25T12:43:41Z")
> [@Yareah\_Or](#): > > Provably wrong. Eve once did but a n+1 account monetisation policy was since introduced. The only time CCP moves fast is to close any loopholes to favour n+1 in near all areas of the game. Don’t be dumb. Also organisation requires talent, effort and time and that is me saying it as a (mostly) solo pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1733 "2022-03-25T21:09:01Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > > [@Small\_Kitty\_Paws](#): > > > > There is no lines as long as it’s for new players. From direct selling SP to hulls. It all started as feature “to help new players”. Most of community already shrugged it off anyway > > I’m open to giving them a opportunity to clarify that this isn’t the case, but I think you’re probably right. Soon enough, we all come to age. It’s interesting to see how “coming to age” is becoming a shorter period of time. I guess maturity in EVE and the speed for it’s achievement, receives an upgrade every time the old is crushed under paving for the new. Remember when the old was that other guy…?? Now it’s you! A noob, if such thing exists, will mature in 2 days… I’ve seen 2 day olds and their “sleazy ways”… No matter how many chances we give, I don’t think it will ever be clarified or even recognized… perhaps the instant mechanics try on catching the wave to “help a new player”, it would increasingly be “too little, too late” as the toon might have outgrown the effort. It’s a trend, not a wild guess. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1734 "2022-03-25T21:16:27Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > What is the CSM’s official stance on criminals being able to tether anywhere in HS? As Brisk said, aside from open letters you seldom find us having an 'Official stance" Each CSM is their own person and makes their own stands and proposals. Me? I think that criminality should have consequences. I include docking and tethering under that umbrella. m ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1735 "2022-03-25T21:19:43Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > tethering under that umbrella. suspect and criminal tethering is the most idiotic thing in the game i enter a system i see a dude suspect i find him and he is invulnerable the ■■■■ ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1736 "2022-03-25T21:21:35Z")
Criminals are good at their jobs. They have to be. If you change the mechanics, they will just change with them. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1737 "2022-03-25T21:22:40Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Criminals are good at their jobs. They have to be. If you change the mechanics, they will just change with them. i don’t dispute that , i just hate tethering in low / null sec bunch of targets floating afk invulnerable but wen the guy is blinking red or yellow thats drives me mad ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1738 "2022-03-25T21:31:43Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Criminals are good at their jobs. They have to be. If you change the mechanics, they will just change with them. and that, to me, is a good thing m ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1739 "2022-03-25T21:32:17Z")
Tethering is completely stupid. It should be on a timer, at the very least. A few minutes might be ok, but having people invulnerable in space on dscan just doesn’t seem right. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1740 "2022-03-25T21:33:22Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Tethering is completely stupid. It should be on a timer, at the very least. A few minutes might be ok, but having people invulnerable in space on dscan just doesn’t seem right. this where do i sign? ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1741 "2022-03-25T22:29:32Z")
> [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > I think that criminality should have consequences. You’ve got my future votes. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1742 "2022-03-25T22:34:20Z")
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