# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 83
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1743 "2022-03-25T22:52:03Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Criminals are good at their jobs. My dog will invariably eat cat sđŸ’©t if given the opportunity
and he’s good at it. We The People
can outsmart a bunch of common criminals. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1744 "2022-03-25T22:55:33Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > We The People Carebears? ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1745 "2022-03-25T23:00:16Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > bear Maybe, maybe so. Call us what you like, but we are essential to Eve Online. On the other hand, Eve can live without criminals. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1746 "2022-03-25T23:08:37Z")
> [@Yareah\_Or](#): > > I’d have thought they’d just have paid you off. LOL. Like CCP’s willing to spend the kind of money it’d take to pay Brisc off
 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1747 "2022-03-26T00:07:51Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > On the other hand, Eve can live without criminals. Is that so? And what would take the place of them as an isk sink in high and low sec? ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1748 "2022-03-26T00:17:18Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > On the other hand, Eve can live without criminals. This is not the case. Some of Eve’s most successful era’s were when it’s marketing was focused on “criminals” ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1749 "2022-03-26T01:43:36Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Tethering is completely stupid. Tethering is the equivalent of sitting inside the force field of an old POS. People being invulnerable while showing up on dscan isn’t anything new to citadels. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1750 "2022-03-26T01:53:42Z")
Perhaps. But POS force fields don’t default to letting any random unknown capsuleer inside. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 2:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1751 "2022-03-26T02:05:28Z")
Ok, and? You don’t know what the relationship between the structure owners and the guys sitting on tether is. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1752 "2022-03-26T02:45:42Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Perhaps you could ask CCP about giving structure owners the ability to block players based on their security status. It would be much easier than constantly updating a “block list”. > > Thanks for responding. This is a good idea. I like it. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1753 "2022-03-26T12:07:57Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Tethering is the equivalent of sitting inside the force field of an old POS. You do remember that those shields were password protected? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1754 "2022-03-26T16:06:03Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > You do remember that those shields were password protected? Yup. But without knowing the pilot’s relationship to the owning corp, you’ve got no idea what ACLs they’re on. :shrug: I’m not saying ‘tethering is great’. Just that ‘there’s a guy on d-scan that I can’t shoot’ isn’t a new thing. ---
**Author:** ![MinorFreak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minorfreak/32/401122_2.png) [@MinorFreak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinorFreak)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1755 "2022-03-28T14:17:55Z")
_giggles_ ---
**Author:** ![Ranshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranshe/32/468747_2.png) [@Ranshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranshe)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1756 "2022-03-28T15:42:20Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > bunch of targets floating afk invulnerable If they’re afk - and for significant amount of time, which seems to be the issue - why don’t you just bump them off? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1757 "2022-03-28T15:59:14Z")
> [@Ranshe](#): > > If they’re afk - and for significant amount of time, which seems to be the issue - why don’t you just bump them off? i try but the window of opportunity is super small with all those intel chats and stuff sometimes they come with carriers to fight a t1 cruiser my real problem is suspect/ criminal invul , that happen even in low to be frank they made all they could for the crabs to have a happy life no more belt , no more anomaly they mine in a random moon they Tether a solo player like me are already in disadvantage , one against many , but nowadays its kinda futile to roam last time i jumped 60 jumps , got camped in a npc base , got bored , scaped , back dto low, and them i had pvp but even low is full of farmers ---
**Author:** ![Slowpoke\_Monroe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/slowpoke_monroe/32/313902_2.png) [@Slowpoke\_Monroe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Slowpoke_Monroe)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1758 "2022-03-29T16:49:56Z")
So glad I have won Eve. The state of the game is truly horrendous. Seems like CCP nerfs every way of making isk in order to sell more plex and now they want to sell ships. I hope they fire the idiot/s who thought of this. ---
**Author:** ![Eilen\_Indira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eilen_indira/32/260810_2.png) [@Eilen\_Indira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eilen_Indira)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1759 "2022-04-01T16:32:07Z")
In Remembrance of EVE-O Go gently, if you can, Into that dread night Beloved Eve, Only nineteen years old. Go, as last sputtering flame Of your bitter veterans ancient rage, Nurtured on thousand forgotten battlefronts, That sweet righteous anger, Which kept you safe down these long years Finally flickers and dies. We will remember you forever, Bright glory of your battlefields Calm serenity of your endless belts Your secrets and your intrigues, And long lonely watches Of your unnumbered nameless wars. Our final watchfires grow dim Our long vigil soon over at last The enemy has finally won That all-conquering worm of greed Which oh so slowly Sucked dry your precious soul. Go gently, if you can, Into that dread night Our beloved Eve, Only nineteen years old. Far too late, but signed. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1760 "2022-04-01T16:34:40Z")
dude whoooaaa noice ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1761 "2022-04-01T20:29:17Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > which is why are noobs in Ventures being targeted in the first place. Only the other day I saw a case where a 21 day old noob had his Venture destroyed twice in a row
by some ganker who was _proud_ of it ! And you think _that_ is going to keep people in the game ? Welcome to EVE 😃 This is the game. Don’t like it? HTFU. Stardew is nice this time of year 😃 > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > But the whole 'dont fly what you can’t afford to lose ’ mantra is meaningless for someone who is left with 5K ISK and a Velator who’s ore hold fills up just in time for the heat death of the universe. Then that’s their fault for being terri-bad and unable to Google 😃 Us oldies as you called us did just fine with less info. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Incidentally
no-one ever tells noobs that it is possible to assemble a mining Venture for just 300K ISK using gaussian lasers. Yes they do. Its called Googling mining advice and fits. Took me like 2 mins to find all the info I needed. Stop making excuses for terri-bad players 😃 Seriously, if peeps can’t even bother to google and learn stuff, they deserve all the ganking 😃 > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > a solo player like me are already in disadvantage , one against many , but nowadays its kinda futile to roam I feel you bruv. As another true solo player, fights are few and far between. It is what it is. Just gotta catch what catch can. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1762 "2022-04-01T21:48:02Z")
Ganking noobies and enjoying, is perfectly fine. It’s a game where people can explore that aspect of their psyche. This weird idea that anti-gankers spew that somehow what I do in game is represented of what I do in RL. It’s utter nonsense. In game, I would blow up your venture in a moments notice. But I wouldn’t ever dream of taking a hammer to someone’s car. I would hold someone’s ship/pod ransom, and/or sell a mining permit, but if I found a wallet full of cash and credit cards, I would turn it in to my local constabulary, in full. Are there psychos that play this game just to harass people? Sure. But I think those people are such a small minority that they don’t actually represent the rest of the “content” creator community. And yes. That is my motivation. Playing a bad guy gives people someone to fight. Someone to rise up against. Someone to talk about. Someone to smack talk. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=82) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=84)