# An Open Letter to CCP from Current and Former CSM Members on the "Prospector Pack" **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** csm\ **Created:** [March 9, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742 "2022-03-09T21:01:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 84
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1763 "2022-04-02T08:02:50Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > This weird idea that anti-gankers spew that somehow what I do in game is represented of what I do in RL. It’s utter nonsense. This. In my 25 years of online gaming, I cannot understand how peeps equate these things LOL. I mean it shows they’ve never played any of the Sim type games and it shows 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 8:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1764 "2022-04-02T08:44:20Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > This weird idea that anti-gankers spew that somehow what I do in game is represented of what I do in RL. It’s utter nonsense. Speak for yourself, I’m a convicted terrorist doing 35 years at Neve Tirza. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1765 "2022-04-02T14:20:00Z")
So that means your doing pretty much nothing to active society at the present moment, good or bad. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1766 "2022-04-02T14:28:06Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > This. In my 25 years of online gaming, I cannot understand how peeps equate these things LOL. It’s because they take it as a _personal_ attack. They cannot distinguish between acts done in a fantasy setting and real life. For example, they probably think that Gary Oldman is a tyrannical industrialist hell bent on bringing the end of the universe as we know it, in real life, because he acted as one in a movie. Now they may say, in a movie, he wasn’t hurting anyone in RL, so it’s not comparable. To which my rebuttal is, I’m not hurting anyone in RL either by blowing up an imaginary pixilated spaceships. Yes but, they may say, you’re actively causing psychological harm by blowing up those pixilated spaceships! But then, so was Gary Oldmen when he turned into a mutant space bug and tormented Will Robinson, all those kids watching that show and the nightmares they had to endure. The point is, if you are investing so much emotional energy into a fantasy world/game that some act of aggression in that fantasy setting sets you off in real life, it’s you that has the problem. You’re the one that cannot delineate fantasy from reality and you shouldn’t be playing these kinds of games until you’ve worked out your own emotional issues. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1767 "2022-04-02T14:30:43Z")
You make a good point that I don’t think gets enough airtime: if an actor plays a role that upsets somebody who watches them, then that is a form of violence. Unconscionable. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1768 "2022-04-02T14:41:28Z")
Now, Im not saying that there are people out there who get a thrill off of griefing folks. And I feel really sorry for them. Hurt people, hurt people. And they they take their hurts out on others in a game. But you only give a person as much power over you as you allow. So if someone is legitimately griefing you, you hold the ultimate weapon. Don’t let them bother you. Don’t rise to the attack. They hate that. It’s the worst thing to them when they realize they can’t wreck your day, just because they are miserable. They will doubledown and keep at it and once they realize that can’t do a darned thing to you, they move on. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1769 "2022-04-02T14:50:51Z")
Nobody cries more than gankers. Not miners. Not newbies. Not mission runners. Not even bitter vets. Nobody. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1770 "2022-04-02T15:24:53Z")
Does that mean you’re a ganker then. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1772 "2022-04-02T16:17:50Z")
The what? . edit. Ah. ---
**Author:** ![MajorBean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/majorbean/32/382916_2.png) [@MajorBean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MajorBean)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1773 "2022-04-02T16:41:16Z")
I did try out the new tutorial today, was greeted by this, lmao. ![ssafdasd](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/3/7/c37b73397e46bfb0eaa6ecb51f698da63f6af801.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1774 "2022-04-02T16:55:13Z")
No way! ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1775 "2022-04-02T17:01:05Z")
At least it’s not a bad price for what it is. For a change. So there’s that. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1776 "2022-04-02T17:09:39Z")
I wonder how the CSM feels about this. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1777 "2022-04-02T17:49:10Z")
We are aware that this remains a contextual ad that new players who complete the mining NPE and start the mining agents will get. We don’t like it, but at least it’s not being advertised to everyone and available for sale to everyone. ---
**Author:** ![MajorBean](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/majorbean/32/382916_2.png) [@MajorBean](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MajorBean)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1778 "2022-04-02T17:58:12Z")
Can you ask your contacts at CCP, if this “pack” still includes this horrible fitting? Why does this pack include a Retriever and not a Procurer? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1779 "2022-04-02T18:10:31Z")
Yes, the pack has the same fitting. No idea why it’s so bad. My understanding is that the Retriever was the next ship in the line up from a mining frigate, and since there’s no equivalent mining destroyer, they went with the Retriever. ---
**Author:** ![Kenrailae](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenrailae/32/494205_2.png) [@Kenrailae](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenrailae)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1780 "2022-04-02T18:24:23Z")
I honestly cannot for the life of me believe the decision to put the retriever in there over the procurer was one made in good faith. CCP knows ganking is a thing. They know the retriever and covetor are still a little flimsy(though FAR better off than what Fozzie did to them sure). Even if the retriever’s hull bonuses make it a better miner in terms of yield, the decision to give it such an abysmal fit and put it in a ‘hey, drop a 20 and here’s a way you can win faster’ add… it’s sick. CCP also kinda messed up the ‘progression’ tree for mining when they chose to try and equalize the three barges, instead of it being procurer \> Reti \> Covetor, but that was years ago. I still don’t agree with this pack existing at all, but if CCP is dead set on doing it, swap the retriever out for the procurer with at least a half decent fit on it. It’s a far more forgiving ship, will still mine well enough, and has a _chance_ of surviving the moment a newbro jumps out of the starter system. What they’re doing now is predatory. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1781 "2022-04-02T20:43:00Z")
> [@MajorBean](#): > > Why does this pack include a Retriever > [@Kenrailae](#): > > swap the retriever out for the procurer Why does this pack include a retriever and not a GOLDEN RORQUAL MINING TITAN ORCASTAR. CCP knows ganking is a thing. They know that all miners are sad helpless pathetic little carebears that any no skill griefer can instablap. It’s just sick that CCP would give anyone a ship with less than ten eighty trillion hitpoints. It’s just totally messsed up and proof that CCP is a PREDATORY CORPORATION hellbent on taking advantage of innocent miners who just want to play a PvP game without any risk of PvP. I’m disgusted that the retriever exists, it’s just a disgrace that CCP released this DEATH TRAP, and all miner ships should be upgraded with a FREE permainvulnerability IDDQD core. Miners deserve to play a PvP game without PvP griefers!!!11! ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1782 "2022-04-02T21:03:31Z")
> [@MajorBean](#): > > was greeted by this, lmao. But according to Brisc CCP has pulled that pack. 🤔 Oh wait, is that another one? Haha… ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742/1783 "2022-04-02T21:05:21Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > but at least it’s not being advertised to everyone and available for sale to everyone Bummer. I want one. Guess I’ll create another account. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=83) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-ccp-from-current-and-former-csm-members-on-the-prospector-pack/352742.md?page=85)