# An Open Letter To the Brutor Clans of Matar, Regarding a Sporting Event **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [June 28, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415 "2019-06-28T22:42:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/22 "2019-06-29T11:33:50Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > The event _does_ break several rules of decency and common sense. Simply being called out upon it is nothing unexpected. I wonder how the Brutor feel about an Amarrian loyalist endorsing their notions of decorum. ---
**Author:** ![Octavech\_Raholan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/octavech_raholan/32/373797_2.png) [@Octavech\_Raholan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Octavech_Raholan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/23 "2019-06-29T11:52:41Z")
Such colourful use of language, it is almost musical. The Matari culture does have a truly delightful sense of mysticism. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/24 "2019-06-29T11:59:56Z")
Probably rolling their eyes but begrudgingly agreeing. Keep in mind, a few of our own people are involved with this. I won’t pass harsh judgement myself; I understand that some harmless but fun things require not caring if you seem like a fool to others, but in this day and age it seems an imprudent indulgence. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/25 "2019-06-29T12:24:28Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Probably rolling their eyes but begrudgingly agreeing. I wouldn’t be so sure. While the Brutor, especially the more trad soldierly types, can be seen as controlled, even stoic, they do not tend to shy away from directness or indeed confrontation when it is warranted. Mixing that up with the way the Amarrian culture use requests for and enforcement of modesty and “politeness” to ensure a system where the voice of oppression can be heard but objections cannot is something quite different. At least that is how I have perceived it, so far… ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/26 "2019-06-29T12:31:11Z")
> [@Garion\_Avarr](#): > > The mud adds an extra challenge, Strike Commander – one must not only contend with mastering your opponent, but also with mastering your environment, like sports played in null-g, or cross country races. > > That said, some wish to make it about what I believe you would call ‘Gallente degeneracy.’ And I am sure if one tries to make it about such things, one can view it however one chooses, as one can with many things that are not inherently so. > > For myself, however, I choose to view it as an interesting extra challenge for an athletic event. That, and with an odd sort of nostalgia for all the mud we had to crawl through and fight in back when I was in the army. Lord Avarr! We still can make low or high gravity arenas for extra challenge, Caldari graviton projectors can make you feel so heavy that you will have to fight crawling. And all that - while maintaining dignity, without any mud. Moreover, megacorporations will be so happy and grateful for buying this expensive equipment, that they might even advertise the event to attend (mostly among their own workers), and for a little extra fee. They most likely will even provide uniforms for fighting (with their logo) and will bring a lot of decorations (with more logos and other product advertisements), so arena won’t be as boring and dirty covered in mud. Besides, fighting in graviton projectors won’t occlude field of view and people will be able to see every movement, that could be hidden by a mud otherwise. It’s a win-win in either way! And I believe someone was already doing wrestling matches in graviton projectors in the State. Our people are quite imaginative at bringing in extra spices and challenges to sports, without being just… dirty. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/27 "2019-06-29T13:07:52Z")
Oh look, it’s the quaint little die-hard try-hard shoot-em-up-and-run who screwed the entire Republic out of the perfect chance for answers and retribution just for a slightly better chance to enrich herself with Amarrian flush, all amped up about my little mudfight! Let’s have some edumacation: > [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > Sebbie “chiefs” I am not a chief. I am the _cadet_ chief of my clan, as noted both here and on the petition. My only responsibility is the management of my clan’s manufacturing outfit, Corovid Industries (see note at bottom). Aside from that, the only thing I lead is nightly libations. > [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > girl-on-girl mud action I guess you didn’t see the post in the other thread, where I explained that this isn’t about groping. Or the OP in this very thread, y’know, the one that you’re complaining about, where I explained that the mud is an extra challenge for the match. You still want to believe that this is some kind of mud-kink orgy, though, because it’s useful for your vapid claims. Whatever, sweetheart. > [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > taking bets with **Sani Sabiks** , Which Sani Sabiks? Valerie Valate? I don’t believe she’s placed a wager. If she has, I didn’t see it. But what I _did_ do was divest her of the use of her venue, _specifically_ because of the issues you’re alluding to. Which ■■■■■■■ sucked to do because really, this entire thing was her idea. So don’t make like I’m not paying attention. Or maybe you’re referring to Lithara? She’s _Gallente_ Sani, thank you very much. She’s even got an entire thread explaining how her beliefs diverge from those of the more familiar strains. Why don’t you go visit her AMA and ask her some questions? I’m sure she’ll be happy to explain. By the way, if you’re trying to imply that I’m in bed with Sani Sabiks after Mikramurka got dropped on by Blood Raiders, you should go check your own premise. They’re not the same ■■■■■■■ thing. Kinda dumb to build an argument on that kind of fallacy, hon. > [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > Oh and as yon sourteats Rhiannon has thrown mud at the Krusual, I think you “Sebbie Sisters” can forget their vote. I’m not one of the Sebbie Sisters. In fact, at least two out of three of them don’t like me, and I’d say three out of three believe the wrestling match is ■■■■■■■ dumb for all of the reasons you’ve listed. You might also note that I was extremely vocal about _not_ lynching the Krusual. Like, I am solidly on record supporting them over that stupidity. Also, don’t insult the Captain’s teats. > [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > And **really** not happy cos you just as good as made out they’re nothing to you Really? Tell me more about this most interesting development. When the ■■■■ did I say that the entire Brutor Tribe was nothing to me? Please advise, because as far as I know—and I’m pretty sure I’m right, because I was there—I addressed the _specific Brutor clans_ who were noted as being displeased. Not only that, I took the time (in this thread’s OP) to write out a deliberated, respectful response to their concerns. Of course, I captured a touch of sass in my last line, which translates into “In what manner would the activities of a young Sebiestor woman be of concern to unaffiliated clans such as yourselves?” I happen to think that this is a perfectly valid question. So far, your response appears to intimate that not only the Brutor Chief, yessir, not one, not two, but shamWOW! FOUR CHIEFS will take offense to a personal life choice of this one, largely insignificant, albeit highly intelligent and dangerously sexy, Sebiestor girl, and reject a petition regarding the safety of an entire continent, signed by multiple clans who have no claim over the decisions of said Sebiestor girl, for this grave mud-splattered injustice of hers. Well, maybe you’re right. They _do_ have the power to do so. I’ve been saying for years that the current structure of the Republic government inherently lends itself to corruption and should be abolished in favor of tribal sovereignty, so maybe they’ll gift me a feather in my cap by pulling something like that? > [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > Midular’s Gally-style Republic You can stuff me in a box with every other Sebiestor, sure, but the entire Ramijozana Clan spent her administration being pissed off about being overlooked and unimpressed with the unequal distribution of power (see above, “inherently corrupt”). I still fly those fly Absent Heroes colors, though. Now, speaking of my clan, I’d like to refer you to an official statement from the _actual_ Ramijozana Clan Chief, Tiama Ramijozana, which I hope will offer you dear comfort: > To whom it may concern, and also to whom it doesn’t: I am not thrilled about Melisma’s decision to engage with this mud-wrestling match either. But she is a private citizen in her own time, and has the option of leading her life as she wishes. I trust her to conduct herself with the evenness of judgment instilled in her by this clan. > But I see you also, Seykal. _Everyone_ knows about you. _Everyone_ despises you for your own very recent choices. I fail to convince myself of the importance of your personal opinions. In fact, I even believe I’d fight _you_ in a mud pit over your audacity in confronting my ward. Sadly, I don’t have 20 bn ISK to entice you into the loss. Perhaps you could spot me a bit? I hear you’re living well these days. > Tiama Ramijozana She’s seventy years old and tiny, but I’m still sure she’d light into you like anniversary fireworks misloaded into an Astrahus. > **Clarification** > > The term “cadet chief” refers to the fact that a few millennia ago, the Ramijozana hereditary line was split by some sort of dispute and maybe a little murder. The resolution was that the original line retained leadership of the clan, while the divergent line took over management of the clan’s manufacturing firm, Corovid. That’s why my proper role, and title insomuch as it matters, is that of “cadet chief.” ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/28 "2019-06-29T13:13:15Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > I’m not one of the Sebbie Sisters. That oversight can and should be quickly fixed. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/29 "2019-06-29T14:13:04Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > just for a slightly better chance to enrich herself with Amarrian flush… Is ‘flush’ somehow a term for money or…? I don’t think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/30 "2019-06-29T14:44:44Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > Is ‘flush’ somehow a term for money or…? It is, in fact; when someone is “flush with money” they have a lot of it. Of course, it has another, less modest meaning, in some local slangs, too. Rumors say Sesli got some of both? ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/31 "2019-06-29T15:17:38Z")
I’ve heard the term “flush with money.” That wasn’t the usage in the quoted post. The second usage is what I was afraid of, and I’d like to dispel those rumors. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/32 "2019-06-29T15:51:02Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > I’d like to dispel those rumors. Feel free, I am sure both us and the baseliner fan clubs (that everything here seems to leak to these days) are all ears. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/33 "2019-06-29T16:06:37Z")
Pilot Ramijozana it never pays to argue with piratical idiots like Sesli; they will just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/34 "2019-06-29T16:14:10Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > I’m not one of the Sebbie Sisters. In fact, at least two out of three of them don’t like me, and I’d say three out of three believe the wrestling match is ■■■■■■■ dumb Wait, there’s only three of us? ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/35 "2019-06-29T16:19:51Z")
> [@Kalaratiri](#): > > Wait, there’s only three of us? Thanks for spoiling my very intentional not correcting that. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/36 "2019-06-29T16:25:14Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > Is ‘flush’ somehow a term for money or…? I figured I could get away with using it as a noun instead of a verb. Maybe it didn’t work as well in practice. I did intend it as money, and I won’t share my thoughts on the related rumor. > [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > Pilot Ramijozana it never pays to argue with piratical idiots like Sesli; they will just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Quite right, and I’ll heed this henceforth. ---
**Author:** ![Lithara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lithara/32/268412_2.png) [@Lithara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lithara)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/37 "2019-06-29T16:28:40Z")
> [@Sesli\_Ashok](#): > > We have the Brutor: not happy because you’re faffin’ about with your girl-on-girl mud action and taking bets with **Sani Sabiks** > [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > Or maybe you’re referring to Lithara? She’s _Gallente_ Sani, thank you very much. She’s even got an entire thread explaining how her beliefs diverge from those of the more familiar strains. Why don’t you go visit her AMA and ask her some questions? I’m sure she’ll be happy to explain. I am also the referee, so it would be incredibly unethical of me to bet. ---
**Author:** ![Drake\_Arson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drake_arson/32/167426_2.png) [@Drake\_Arson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drake_Arson)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/38 "2019-06-29T16:38:13Z")
Who even are the Competitors in this… Sporting Event? ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/39 "2019-06-29T16:45:00Z")
At the very least, it’s me versus Mizhir Devara and Utari Onzo versus Constantin Baracca. There was another match between, I think, Catherine Gillot and Maira Blackfire suggested, but we haven’t had a confirmation on that. ---
**Author:** ![Garion\_Avarr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garion_avarr/32/415302_2.png) [@Garion\_Avarr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garion_Avarr)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/40 "2019-06-29T16:49:37Z")
> [@Diana\_Kim](#): > > Lord Avarr! > We still can make low or high gravity arenas for extra challenge, Caldari graviton projectors can make you feel so heavy that you will have to fight crawling. And all that - while maintaining dignity, without any mud. > > Moreover, megacorporations will be so happy and grateful for buying this expensive equipment, that they might even advertise the event to attend (mostly among their own workers), and for a little extra fee. They most likely will even provide uniforms for fighting (with their logo) and will bring a lot of decorations (with more logos and other product advertisements), so arena won’t be as boring and dirty covered in mud. > > Besides, fighting in graviton projectors won’t occlude field of view and people will be able to see every movement, that could be hidden by a mud otherwise. It’s a win-win in either way! And I believe someone was already doing wrestling matches in graviton projectors in the State. Our people are quite imaginative at bringing in extra spices and challenges to sports, without being just… dirty. Perhaps we’ll have to look into this for future sporting events, thank you Strike Commander. ---
**Author:** ![Drake\_Arson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drake_arson/32/167426_2.png) [@Drake\_Arson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drake_Arson)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/an-open-letter-to-the-brutor-clans-of-matar-regarding-a-sporting-event/170415/41 "2019-06-29T16:50:17Z")
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