# Annual Account and Ganker **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 14, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282 "2020-12-14T16:21:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/225 "2021-01-25T10:55:55Z")
> [@Red-Sonja](#): > > Good for them. Just like Tortuga was great for that band of degenerates. You know, if you can’t even accept that losing at a computer game is your own fault, you are not really in a place to call others degenerate. ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/226 "2021-01-25T10:57:37Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > You know, if you can’t even accept that losing at a computer game is your own fault, you are not really in a place to call others degenerate You know, if all you can do is tie someone down and execute him, you are a degenerate. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/227 "2021-01-25T10:59:43Z")
In-game or in real life? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/228 "2021-01-25T10:59:45Z")
> [@Red-Sonja](#): > > You know, if all you can do is tie someone down and execute him, you are a degenerate. But that is not all I can do. Sometimes I bait them with my looter and then they lose an Orca on top of the mining ship. Sometimes I bait them in wadecing my small corp and then I hunt them down for a week. Sometime I scam them out of all their money. This game is amazing ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/229 "2021-01-25T11:06:17Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > This game is amazing Yes, EVE is a great game and those who think like me would like it to be open to more people than just degenerates who only want to kill players for bragging rights. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/230 "2021-01-25T11:15:12Z")
The game is open to anyone! Just don’t start complaining about the equivalent of someone in Chess taking one of your pieces. It’s part of the game. '_You degenerate, why did you take my Queen when I made the mistake of putting her in front of your Rook?’_ ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/231 "2021-01-25T11:15:58Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Just don’t start complaining about the equivalent of someone in Chess taking one of your pieces I’m not complaining. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/232 "2021-01-25T11:16:38Z")
How reasonable do you think is it, to hope the core mechanics of a 17 years old very successful game will suddenly change, just because you refuse to learn how to actually play it? Achieving a high score, comparing performance metrics, including valuable kills or whatever in a computer game, what you call “bragging rights” is like the most normal things ever since Pong. That and having fun are kinda the main drivers of video games. Maybe you can go brag with your mining yield or ISK/h in the PvE forums. But I kinda suspect you suck at that too 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/233 "2021-01-25T11:17:45Z")
I prefer to brag about my silliest losses. 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/234 "2021-01-25T11:18:42Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Maybe you can go brag with your mining yield or ISK/h in the PvE forums. But I kinda suspect you suck at that too I see how childish you are. No point in arguing with you. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/235 "2021-01-25T11:18:55Z")
> [@Red-Sonja](#): > > I’m not complaining. > Try again. Oh? Then what is this: > [@Red-Sonja](#): > > degenerates You call people who interact with you within game rules degenerates, just because they took a piece from you. That _is_ complaining. _Chess would be much more fun if we could just move the pieces around without taking enemy pieces. Then we both could win!_ ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/236 "2021-01-25T11:23:13Z")
> [@Red-Sonja](#): > > No point in arguing with you. Yeah there is actually no point in arguing. You lost at a game. You either accept that it was your fault and learn how to avoid it in the future, or you will simply make the same mistake again. It’s not the game that has to change. It’s you that has to learn how to play ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/237 "2021-01-25T11:24:39Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > I prefer to brag about my silliest losses. 🤪 Once upon a time I lost an instawarp interceptor with a lot of loot in high sec. I was a fool for not expecting war targets to be ready for me with remote sensorboosting to catch even the slipperiest of ships. Unlike people who then go to the forum to complain about all the degenerates in this game, I learned to use an out-of-corp hauler that day. ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/238 "2021-01-25T11:24:49Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > You lost at a game. 🤣 okay champ. ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/239 "2021-01-25T11:26:40Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You call people who interact with you within game rules degenerates, just because they took a piece from you. That _is_ complaining It’s not. But keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/240 "2021-01-25T11:29:11Z")
Sorry, my bad. My _interpretation_ of what you said was that you were complaining. Maybe you weren’t. I just want to tell you that even if you did not intentionally complain, I probably won’t be the only one to interpret your text as complaining. Try leaving out the insults to playstyles you don’t enjoy, such as ‘degenerates’. It may unintentionally suggest that you don’t enjoy the existence of those playstyles. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/241 "2021-01-25T11:31:49Z")
If your only goal is to have more than you have now, no matter when you take your snapshot of now you won’t have reached that goal. You can’t ‘win’ anything. It is still possible to think of having less now than you had before as losing, though. I sometimes feel like the crux of what is being asked for is to make Eve more accessible to people who meander without any clear goals or objectives, but people who can’t create goals or objectives in a sandbox are not really suited to play a sandbox game. This would be the crowd that theme park and single player games are designed for. “My playstyle is just as valid as yours, except I’m going to change the rules of your game so that your playstyle isn’t viable instead of finding a game that caters to my own playstyle.” ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/242 "2021-01-25T11:33:25Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Try leaving out the insults to playstyles you don’t enjoy It’s no insult to call a degenerate a “degenerate”. I understand they can’t help it. Real-life frustrations can lead players to try and make other players “cry” and “complain” in a game. It’s fine by me, I rise above that. All I’m saying is: pirates should not be afforded the same services as non-pirates. It’s a simple concept that exists since piracy came about. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/243 "2021-01-25T11:36:23Z")
> [@Red-Sonja](#): > > It’s no insult to call a degenerate a “degenerate”. > I understand they can’t help it. Yea yea, keep calling them degenerates and claiming that you’re not complaining. You’re only fooling one here. ---
**Author:** ![Red-Sonja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-sonja/32/254178_2.png) [@Red-Sonja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Red-Sonja)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2021, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/244 "2021-01-25T11:36:52Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > but people who can’t create goals or objectives in a sandbox are not really suited to play a sandbox game. This would be the crowd that theme park and single player games are designed for. Puh-lease 🙄 spare me that “EVE is not for you” cacamimi. Some players just don’t want to be pirates and would like pirates to be treated as such in the game. It’s not hard to comprehend. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282.md?page=13)