# Annual Account and Ganker **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 14, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282 "2020-12-14T16:21:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 7:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/43 "2020-12-18T07:25:13Z")
Arbitrators are still mining cruisers. Check out the bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/44 "2020-12-18T16:46:26Z")
Fair do’s, although that’s more of a generalised drone bonus than a specific mining bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/45 "2020-12-18T17:11:33Z")
I getcha. Did the Vexor have it too or was it changed? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/46 "2020-12-18T17:21:14Z")
Vexor has the same drone bonus as the Arbitrator, were they ever considered to be mining cruisers in the way that an Osprey was? The Scythe and the Osprey lost their mining bonuses when they became dedicated logistics platforms, I’m not sure whether the other 2 logi cruisers the Augoror and Exqueror had mining bonuses or not; the changes were a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/47 "2020-12-18T17:23:58Z")
I guess I just assumed they were but yeah I dont really remember anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/48 "2020-12-18T17:28:36Z")
Player who is reaching addict level status wants his growing addiction rewarded… ok. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/49 "2020-12-23T09:39:25Z")
> [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > No, it just teaches people that the tank on 2/3 rds of the mining cruiser hulls is garbage and that a prat in a 2 million ISK destroyer will always blow up a ship worth 10 times as much before the cops show up. Hell, they only have to be successful 1/10 times and they are ahead, its hardly balanced. Just for those who failed the situational awareness class, the others warped away long before anything happened. > [@Litsea\_Reticulata](#): > > Hiding behind RP is a terrible excuse for anti social behaviour. “Anti social behaviour” music to my ears, this game is built on murder, it’s still there because of murder and will last until murder is banned. Then you’ll see this piece of software for what is really is: a spacial themed boring spreadsheet. ---
**Author:** ![SeriousPun\_K](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seriouspun_k/32/238132_2.png) [@SeriousPun\_K](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeriousPun_K)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/50 "2020-12-24T11:10:35Z")
Antisocial, elitist assholes who mostly play in order to grief and annoy weaker players are the main focus of Eve’s design team apparently. And the main problem this game has, IMO. The game is built on many things - there are many possible playstyles. It just feels infuriating how CCP has been rewarding griefers and exploiters for a decade, and completely failed to add a viable way for the victim to fight back. So have fun in your “built only on murder, murder is all that counts, murder murder murder” game full of toxic assholes who will steal mission loot from mission runners because hey, there’s NOTHING they can do to fight back, and scam, because why not, and just shoot strangers for fun … Only soon there will be even fewer of you left, and this dying game will shut down. This highsec carebear at least will not extend their subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/51 "2020-12-24T11:31:31Z")
> [@SeriousPun\_K](#): > > Antisocial I always find this funny. Who’s the more antisocial: - the guy that wants to interact with other players - the guy that just wants to be left alone There’s a current reddit thread with a good example of this. Who’s the more antisocial here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/kit9e7/its\_the\_most\_wonderful\_time\_of\_the\_year/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/kit9e7/its_the_most_wonderful_time_of_the_year/) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/52 "2020-12-24T11:43:03Z")
Carebears created this adorable little narrative that they’re intelligent, rational, enlightened paragons of virtue, while PvPers are violent, cantankerous boors. Well, I still remember the time that one of the ones that I killed (they got together a gang and attacked me because they thought I was a sitting duck because I was alone, mind you) started talking about how he would rape my children. Dude didn’t even know me. I was eighteen or nineteen years old at the time. Such nice people. I have many stories of similar kindness. Meanwhile, not a single pirate or regular PvPer who killed me or died to me ever said a single ill word (aside from some casual and lighthearted, manhood-questioning taunting in local to try to provoke a fight). ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/53 "2020-12-24T11:45:46Z")
> [@SeriousPun\_K](#): > > there are many possible playstyles. It just feels infuriating how CCP has been rewarding griefers and exploiters for a decade, that sounds unlikely as griefing and exploiting are bannable offences, if you have proof of someone griefing or exploiting then petition CCP and they will be banned. Also note petitions with false claims will not make CCP happy with you. ---
**Author:** ![Aaaarrgg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaaarrgg/32/395089_2.png) [@Aaaarrgg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaaarrgg)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/54 "2020-12-24T11:54:29Z")
> [@SeriousPun\_K](#): > > and completely failed to add a viable way for the victim to fight back. really so there is no way for you to shoot back ? > [@SeriousPun\_K](#): > > So have fun in your “built only on murder, murder is all that counts, murder murder murder” game full of toxic assholes who will steal mission loot from mission runners because hey, there’s NOTHING they can do to fight back shooting the thief is usually considered a way to fight back by most people. you may die …but thats EVE… you may also get a kill, it is also possible you may have fun. > [@SeriousPun\_K](#): > > and just shoot strangers for fun … well it is fun !! > [@SeriousPun\_K](#): > > Only soon there will be even fewer of you left, and this dying game will shut down EVE dying since 2003 and still not dead. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/55 "2020-12-24T12:01:50Z")
> [@SeriousPun\_K](#): > > strangers It’s unethical and traitorous act to shoot your corpmates, fleetmates and member of your alliance. That is why strangers are the ones being shot at. ---
**Author:** ![SeriousPun\_K](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seriouspun_k/32/238132_2.png) [@SeriousPun\_K](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeriousPun_K)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/56 "2020-12-24T12:34:45Z")
What’s more antisocial, the kid who wants to play by themselves, or the kid that keeps destroying other children’s toys? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/57 "2020-12-24T12:37:23Z")
Well in RL, the kid who destroyed other kids toys, but in EVE, we are all just sitting at our own, completely separate computer chairs, likely at some gaming station or with a laptop. Nothing is being destroyed. Nothing is being really built. The only thing that is real is the interactions we have with others. ---
**Author:** ![SeriousPun\_K](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/seriouspun_k/32/238132_2.png) [@SeriousPun\_K](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SeriousPun_K)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 12:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/59 "2020-12-24T12:39:50Z")
Are you a mission griefer yourself? Shooting a thief is suicide, it’s what they want. The “thief” is only stealing in order to get the carebear to make a stupid mistake, i.e. shoot him. This gives him (and I guess his fleet) the right to kill the carebear without Concord intervention, as you doubtlessly know. There are entire alliances focussed only on griefing mission runners, and how have CCP addressed this exploit? They haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/60 "2020-12-24T13:01:21Z")
Blah blah blah can’t stand this “the game is broken because mean people do mean things and i want daddy CCP to protect me” mentality… get over it dude we’ve seen 17 years of murders and it’s not going to stop now… Even if Eve dies after 17 years it will be a tremendous achievement. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/61 "2020-12-24T13:12:28Z")
Buy a permit. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/62 "2020-12-24T13:14:03Z")
Seems CCP needs a reality check program for its players. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282/63 "2020-12-24T16:31:09Z")
I think its pretty antisocial of people to muscle in on my ore belt or market too. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/annual-account-and-ganker/285282.md?page=4)