# Ansiblex jump gates are a mistake **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053 "2019-03-23T12:38:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/45 "2019-03-31T11:04:25Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > And until CCP declares that diamond rats work as intended and using them is no exploit this statement stays You have that backwards. Nothing is an exploit UNTIL CCP declare it so. People need to bug report / raise a support ticket in order to get CCP to make a decision one way or the other. Players cannot say something is an exploit, only CCP can. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/46 "2019-03-31T11:12:23Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > You have that backwards. Nothing is an exploit UNTIL CCP declare it so. People need to bug report / raise a support ticket in order to get CCP to make a decision one way or the other. > > Players cannot say something is an exploit, only CCP can. And they WILL…i’m absolutely sure about this… So why using something that is the definition of an exploit as long as possible KNOWING that it is one? That’s not polite at best… 🙂 You could forbid yourself using it out of beeing reasonable…hard for some but still the right thing to do 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/47 "2019-03-31T11:15:44Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > So why using something that is the definition of an exploit as long as possible KNOWING that it is one? _Not sure if serious?_ Why? because this is Eve and that is how it is played, hell everything competitive is gamed, thats just human nature. To win you have to push the edges of the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/48 "2019-03-31T11:43:27Z")
He only appears to think, if we can call it that, in black and white; any shade of grey is inconceivable to him. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/49 "2019-03-31T16:18:57Z")
What are you going on about? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/50 "2019-03-31T16:33:49Z")
I don’t think he even knows himself, it’s just another off kilter and meaningless rant from Traco/Balos; who, judging by his posts, doesn’t appear to understand the game anyway ---
**Author:** ![Ember\_Fireheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ember_fireheart/32/278556_2.png) [@Ember\_Fireheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ember_Fireheart)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/51 "2019-03-31T16:37:50Z")
Anxiplex are fine but it should not be linked to sov, it would be nice if anyone can place them anywhere to make it fair to both offence and defence + npc null / lowsec. Roam’s take very very long and if groups can place gate’s leading into your space then it makes the trip more bearable to them and also it gives you a reason to go out and shoot the gates creating more pvp opportunities and eve can never have too many reasons to go shoot something or someone. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/52 "2019-03-31T17:06:15Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > Why? because this is Eve and that is how it is played, hell everything competitive is gamed, thats just human nature. To win you have to push the edges of the rules. No you have to OBEY to the rules…this is no anarchy…ccp will teach you if had to, ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/53 "2019-03-31T17:10:06Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I don’t think he even knows himself, it’s just another off kilter and meaningless rant from Traco/Balos; who, judging by his posts, doesn’t appear to understand the game anyway Maybe you should simply shut up? This stakling of other opinions you do continiously is not showing any kind of reason…you just…trying to bite away opinions you don’t like which is very mature indeed… Devaluing is not the way to go…but i believe you have no other arrow than that right? Just taunting and spitting out your foul spoils… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/54 "2019-03-31T17:20:56Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > Maybe you should simply shut up? Maybe you should take your own advice; as the saying goes it’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. > This stakling of other opinions you do continiously Stalking continuously? Paranoid much? I’m not stalking you, let alone continuously. I’m making fun of you. > is not showing any kind of reason…you just…trying to bite away opinions you don’t like which is very mature indeed… You’ve apparently learned the difference between opinion and fact, congratulations. I disagree with your opinions, you have that much right; pointing out why I disagree is more mature than your approach, which primarily consists of a childish “I’m always right”. > Devaluing is not the way to go…but i believe you have no other arrow than that right? Value is subjective, in my opinion the majority of your posts have little merit or value. > Just taunting and spitting out your foul spoils… Wat™? ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/55 "2019-03-31T17:32:24Z")
As i said…pathetic… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/56 "2019-03-31T17:36:48Z")
You really don’t like people pointing out your foibles and challenging your views, do you? You should stick to your own personal little bubble, where nobody disagrees with you. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/57 "2019-03-31T18:42:41Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > No you have to OBEY to the rules…this is no anarchy…ccp will teach you if had to, There are no rules to obey at this time. Currently there are NO rules that say you cannot use warp disruption bubbles to catch and hold npc ships. Until **CCP make a rule** to prevent that it is perfectly legal and fair. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/58 "2019-03-31T20:45:29Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > Until **CCP make a rule** to prevent that it is perfectly legal and fair. Good luck with that argument, he’s a bit of a totalitarian who seems to believe that everything should be forbidden unless the rules allow it. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/59 "2019-03-31T23:29:58Z")
> [@Chan\_aar](#): > > There are no rules to obey at this time. Currently there are NO rules that say you cannot use warp disruption bubbles to catch and hold npc ships. > > Until **CCP make a rule** to prevent that it is perfectly legal and fair. There aren’t “fair” rules regarding an exploit…using it simply leads to bans… And the “argument” that there “is no rulebreaking until ccp SAYS it is” is a joke right? This is like saying a bank robbery is no crime until you are caught…you know it’s wrong but if nobody sees it it’s right? Really? I mean REALLY??? The opposite is right…it is WRONG,it is an exploit,you know it and all “arguments” you have are just excuses and justifications and have just ONE meaning : to declare an obviously wrong behavior legal… But it’s just legal in YOUR eyes,inside YOUR reality bubble…it still is wrong in the real world… ---
**Author:** ![Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypr3ss_deteis/32/392947_2.png) [@Cypr3ss\_Deteis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypr3ss_Deteis)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/60 "2019-04-01T00:53:50Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > What is it called if another player uses npc resources or something not designed to be used in this way for his own advantage over another player? I’m almost 100% sure that this is referred to as ‘ **emergent game play** ’, which is one of those things CCP likes to see (settlement of WHs for e.g.). > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > Right. Thanks. > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > No you have to OBEY to the rules…this is no anarchy…ccp will teach you if had to LOL, no, i’m pretty sure it is anarchy, in space! Which is what makes it fun… i can’t run about in the real world blowing up spaceships at random ☹ Also, you do not have to obey the rules… sure it’s nice when everyone does but there isn’t anything to ensure you do. For RL examples of this I direct your gaze towards the drug cartels that are off doing their own thing. > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > And the “argument” that there “is no rulebreaking until ccp SAYS it is” is a joke right? > > This is like saying a bank robbery is no crime until you are caught…you know it’s wrong but if nobody sees it it’s right? LOL, no, not at all. Because bank robbery is **already** a crime (at least where I am). It is more like if you were selling tacos for a living, and someone _really_ doesn’t like tacos, so they insist you shutdown your operation because they feel tacos are evil and wrong. (I’m not saying they are, it is simply the opinion of one imaginary being). > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > But it’s just legal in YOUR eyes,inside YOUR reality bubble…it still is wrong in the real world But this isn’t the real world, it’s an internet spaceship game? Regards, Cypr3ss. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/63 "2019-04-01T10:41:16Z")
Offence and defense should never be “fair”. Because kills reasons to actually take and defend place you call “home”. And without this concept EvE becomes Counter-Strike in space. ---
**Author:** ![Chan\_aar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chan_aar/32/377560_2.png) [@Chan\_aar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chan_aar)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/64 "2019-04-01T10:41:23Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > There aren’t “fair” rules regarding an exploit…using it simply leads to bans… Nope, you can only be banned after something is declared an exploit. > [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > And the “argument” that there “is no rulebreaking until ccp SAYS it is” is a joke right? Wrong again, that is how the game works. You cannot break the rules if there are no rules. Until CCP make a rule that says “You cannot do X”, then X can be done / used by everyone. Stop trying to use Real World examples inside a game world, or do you want everyone to stop playing Call of Duty or Fortnite because murder is against the law. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/65 "2019-04-01T17:54:45Z")
> [@Marek\_Kanenald](#): > > How is projection of a single fleet over all of space a desirable design aspect. How is an exaggeration a useful design input? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053/66 "2019-04-01T17:56:37Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Stalking continuously? It’s when you disagree with someone more that once 😜 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ansiblex-jump-gates-are-a-mistake/148053.md?page=4)