# Anti-Ganking needs to stop being Anti-Gank **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [February 17, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136 "2022-02-17T00:38:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/81 "2022-02-21T18:27:23Z")
Not at all. I answered your question didn’t I? You just didn’t like the answer and decided to make it about me being “triggered” Pretty typical. A question is asked that’s intended to mock. And when it actual gets an answer the only response that can be cobbled together is “oh my god …… you so triggered”. I mean come on. You can do better lol ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/82 "2022-02-21T19:06:07Z")
@Xeux v @Etch_Masuka ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/6/0/f60416e0d1a8ea2e7f63b615fdaa7b41b2bf6713.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/83 "2022-02-21T19:09:29Z")
Seems legit 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/84 "2022-02-21T19:18:33Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Your continuous need to invalidate my personal experince Because it _is_ just your personal experience…yet my point was that the entire ‘AFK miners’ thing for James 315 and CODE originated from a _single incident_ that was James’s personal experience yet somehow he concluded that ‘all’ miners must somehow be AFK. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/85 "2022-02-21T21:15:05Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > James’s personal experience Tell us more of your keen insight into James 315… [insert Willy Wonka listening meme] ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/86 "2022-02-21T21:40:02Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > [I invalidate your personal experiences] Because it is _just your_ personal experience No duh: my experiences are mine, LOL. Tell me something I don’t know. I would have been amenable to just gifting you the free high sec boosting Porpoise sitting in a hangar gathering dust. It’s clear you’ve now made it personal, basically saying “■■■■ _just your_ personal experiences in this game, they led you to the wrong conclusion\*”. And I would not be surprised to find you’d say that to anyone else here you disagreed with, denying the humanity and player agency of others. Adieu. \*[spoiler from upthread] I didn’t even reach the same conclusion as James315, something way more mellow, LOL! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/87 "2022-02-21T22:02:44Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > EDIT: I didn’t want to originally include this in the story, but the third day another motivating factor in my giving up was because an enterprising ganker alt was following me around the systems, and whenever I found someone who wasn’t responding to me, they warped in and ganked the ship. After it happened a second time, I stopped. I didn’t want to be associated with gankers, and clearly offering a public service like this was actually putting my reputational perception at risk. What “reputational perception” are you even talking about? What are you afraid of, exactly? That you’re going to be looked down upon or rejected by gutter-trash high-sec carebear mills when you put in your app? Are they not going to let you be a SICO line member? Not a single worthwhile group or player in the game is going to judge you for ganking, or even merely being associated with gankers. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > And are _you_ the exception? Because I’m slowly getting the impression of Dracvlad levels of self-importance here. Cilla is a “competence troll” and you’re falling for it. Ever come across people on the forums who are doing something stupid, you offer them advice, and then they insult you, tell you you’re stupid and/or that your advice sucks, and then loudly talk about how they’re going to do things their own way because they are better than everyone else? It’s an exceptionally effective way to get a rise out of people who are uninitiated in forum warfare. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > And similarly if every highsec miner decided that it wasn’t worth it as you suggest it would take about a week for the rest of the game to be begging us to go back and mine. We provide an essential service. Quit belittling it Like, no offense or anything, but you sound like one of those crying carebears threatening a “strike” in this post, which is very far away from the reasonable image you’ve cultivated here for yourself, so I’m not sure about the reason behind this about-face. No, we wouldn’t cry and beg you to mine again. You know what we’d do? We’d take out our barges and mine ourselves, assuming that the income isn’t absolute dogshit for once, by effect of literally tens of thousands of cattle-like, room-temperature-IQ players logging in and doing nothing but the same Oompa Loompa motion for six hours before going to sleep so that they can work their McJob the next day. > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > It’s no different to > > “Why would anyone gank?” > > And > > “Why would anyone that doesn’t have emotional problems gank” Not at all. There’s a rationality component distinctly missing from choosing to mine in high-sec that’s present in the ganking consideration _regardless_ of the presence or lack of any “emotional problems” or any other straw men that aggrieved carebears throw in just to make it seem that their play style, unlike ganking, is actually valid. Choosing to mine in high-sec is like…Imagine if someone offered you the choice of taking 20 steps to a tray that has a $1 in it, or taking 50 steps to a tray that has $20 in it (this can be repeated as many times as you want, but you have to go back to your piggy bank each time to deposit the money), and you choose the $1 tray because it’s “nice and relaxing after a hard day of work to take only 20 steps and not having to worry about taking a whole 50 steps.” _And then you proceed to walk 20 steps back and forth for 6 hours, taking the dollar from the tray and depositing it in your piggy bank over and over again._ > [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > High sec mining is like a virtual stressball. Sometimes after a sh\*t day at work the repetitive target a rock click, target a rock click. Is an extremely soothing activity. What part of getting turned into a eunuch by some murder-hobo in a Catalyst, as opposed to making 10x the money in the absolute safety of the back end of some null-sec blue donut covered by a capital umbrella full of kill-starved redcoats who’d waste three billion on fuel just to drop-dunk a roaming Thorax, is like a “stressball” or an “extremely soothing activity”? ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/88 "2022-02-21T22:10:38Z")
Easy tiger. Sounds like you need to chill out in a belt in high sec in a nice comfy mining ship to take the edge off 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/89 "2022-02-21T22:12:14Z")
If you are unwilling or unable to address the points brought up, you can just say so. At least honesty is a respectable trait regardless of any other stances or positions a person can have. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/90 "2022-02-21T22:15:00Z")
I didn’t see any points that were relevant. I enjoy mining. That’s what I enjoy. You can’t intellectually argue with what I enjoy. It’s not something that can be debated. I don’t see why me enjoying mining would be an issue for you. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/91 "2022-02-21T22:16:17Z")
You don’t _just_ enjoy mining. You apparently enjoy it _so much_ that you think that if you were gone, we’d be _sorry._ That’s a stance that goes very much beyond just “enjoying” something. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/92 "2022-02-21T22:23:30Z")
And many people would be. Lots of players just want to buy ships and blow them up. Miners enable that. As you so eloquently pointed out above…… the pay is crap. So be thankful those of us that do like to use it as a virtual stressball do…… and save all of you real players the hardship of having to do it yourselves. I took exception to a comment on the worth of high sec miners. You are reading way too much into it. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/93 "2022-02-21T22:23:43Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What “reputational perception” are you even talking about? What are you afraid of, exactly? Long story short, I do limited forms of private market making on the side to make ISK. Basically, flipping indy materials between different disjoint groups with different outlooks/values/etc. Word of mouth goes a long way in both positive and negative directions. It’s none of that “I have an ego” nor “I need someone to love me”. It’s simple greed/laziness: I didn’t want to jeopardize my ISK stream. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Cilla is a “competence troll” and you’re falling for it. I generally try to engage with players here like they are people. And then block the ones I find truly unbearable, and move on with life. I’m aware I’m fated to be subjected to these twisted conversations once per unbearable person. I just like making sure the’ve twisted themselves into a terrible position for all to see before the perma-ignore. Maybe that makes me dumb, or sadistic. I don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/94 "2022-02-21T22:28:18Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > So be thankful those of us that do like to use it as a virtual stressball do…… and save all of you real players the hardship of having to do it yourselves. I will _not._ The service is not required, and has in fact never even been requested. The importance you attribute to this role is rooted in nothing but bias and conjecture. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Word of mouth goes a long way in both positive and negative directions. Any group that would judge you for being a ganker to the point they wouldn’t do business with you is small fry, and you’re not going to lose out on anything if they reject you. In fact, I’m willing to bet that your economic opportunities are actually _less_ by choosing to do business with such groups, as opposed to the open market. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/95 "2022-02-21T22:31:01Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > The service is not required, and has in fact never even been requested. The speed at which the ore sells says otherwise 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/96 "2022-02-21T22:35:29Z")
You’re more than welcome to think that your play style is some kind of irreplaceable gift to the player base. In reality, if all the high-sec mining carebears disappeared tomorrow, the game would do _just fine._ Minerals would command a bigger share of the overall economy, but the economy itself would still be just as functional as it is today. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/97 "2022-02-21T22:40:38Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > In fact, I’m willing to bet that your economic opportunities are actually _less_ by choosing to do business with such groups, as opposed to the open market. You’re completely right. Again, to make a long story short, I coded up a near-real-time arbitraging service against the ESI, skip a few steps later, again found it boring and tedious (though profitable). Decided to have more fun playing _in_ the game’s “market” by undercutting it and becoming a middleman. More of a self-imposed challenge, more interesting. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Any group that would judge you for being a ganker to the point they wouldn’t do business with you is small fry, and you’re not going to lose out on anything if they reject you. Definitely “smaller peanuts”. Again, this is more of me seeking my own fun: a self-imposed challenge, finding my own niche. You can think it irrational and dumb and ISK inefficient. I don’t care, it’s more interesting than waiting for a ping from my server to put in buy/sell orders at odd times of day. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/98 "2022-02-21T22:40:55Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re more than welcome to think that your play style is some kind of irreplaceable gift to the player base. I’ll sleep far better tonight knowing I’m allowed that indulgence. How gracious ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/99 "2022-02-21T22:44:33Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Definitely “smaller peanuts”. Again, this is more of me seeking my own fun: a self-imposed challenge, finding my own niche. You can think it irrational and dumb and ISK inefficient. I don’t care, it’s more interesting than waiting for a ping from my server to put in buy/sell orders at odd times of day. What you need to do is perform some introspection and ask yourself if what you find “fun” is actually genuinely fun for you, or you’re merely trying to _convince yourself_ that it is fun based on your perceptions and values. Kind of a “my father is a cop, my grandfather was a cop, well ■■■■, I guess I have to be a cop too!” situation. When I asked _myself_ these questions, I found that my entire world view and set of perceptions and biases completely shifted. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136/100 "2022-02-21T22:50:06Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What you need to do is perform some introspection and ask yourself if what you find “fun” is actually genuinely fun for you, or you’re merely trying to _convince yourself_ that it is fun based on your perceptions and values. Thanks for trying to help, but I’ll pass on the gaslighting for now. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/anti-ganking-needs-to-stop-being-anti-gank/350136.md?page=6)