# Any theories on why so many people have quit over the last 2 years? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 9, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537 "2017-08-09T14:30:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/708 "2017-09-15T05:35:38Z")
No it’s social manipulation. Do you really think I’d be killing this many just by spamming duel invites randomly? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/709 "2017-09-15T05:36:57Z")
yeah i thought it just relied on them misclicking the duel invite lol ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 5:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/710 "2017-09-15T05:39:48Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > i figured you were just spamming them with chat invites and then throwing in a duel request when theyre expecting a chat invite Looks very close to petitionable action… I remember something about spamming with fleet invites being prohibited at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Davionia\_Vanshel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/davionia_vanshel/32/171265_2.png) [@Davionia\_Vanshel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Davionia_Vanshel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/711 "2017-09-15T05:55:53Z")
So this thread went from “Why is EVE dying?” to “Grr gankers” faster than the align time of a stabbed raptor. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/712 "2017-09-15T06:00:54Z")
> [@JC\_Mieyli](#): > > well maybe but its still a good method of obtaining a lot of isk > > im sure if more people figured out what you were doing then more would be doing it > > i probably would do it if i neded the isk Oh FFS…so, Faylee is inducing them into a duel, again these are people who have been foolish and imprudent–i.e. idiots. If you do not have a suicide gank worthy load of cargo and you run afoul of Faylee…fecking log the feck off. Come back in an hour. If Faylee is still bumping you with an alt…petition it. You are complaining about really dumb players here. Why are you white knighting for these players? Why are so many, otherwise reasonable posters, standing up for the completely boneheaded? ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/713 "2017-09-15T06:06:19Z")
im not white knighting them… im just saying you can still be a target with a sensible cargo value ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/714 "2017-09-15T06:06:41Z")
BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP Will you duel me yet? BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP And now? BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP Come on, I can keep doing this all day, I like banging my head on stuff! BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP Just click yes, will you? _clicks Yes_ PEWPEWPEW + LOOT FAIRY …and this is why you need a bump timer. 🤷‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/715 "2017-09-15T06:31:09Z")
You idiots try to find the smallest straws to grasp at to validate the fact that you HATE conflict and loss in eve. It’s like you purposely fail to read anything and just start posting nonsense. I’m not spamming duel invites, and even if I was the player can effortlessly block my duel requests the the click of 1 button. You are pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/717 "2017-09-15T06:42:12Z")
You’re just upset that your petty blackmail tactic has been exposed for what it is. 🤷‍♀️ As for the sandbox, I am nothing; haven’t played for over a year. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/718 "2017-09-15T06:45:33Z")
You haven’t exposed anything. I have a thread in Crime and Punishment where I lay out exactly how I do it. I share chat logs from both the bumper and the “webber”. You just can’t fathom what this is, so I understand the easiest thing for you to do is assume that it’s nothing more than duel spam. Please do us the favor and don’t post again till you’ve been gone for 2 years. I want you to come back then to tell us that you’re never going to play eve again. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/719 "2017-09-15T08:58:20Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP > > Will you duel me yet? > > BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP > > And now? > > BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP > > Come on, I can keep doing this all day, I like banging my head on stuff! > > BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP > > Just click yes, will you? > > clicks Yes > > PEWPEWPEW + LOOT FAIRY > > …and this is why you need a bump timer. 🤷‍♀️ This isn’t how it is done. You don’t present as a threat and hope they will accept a duel. You have to present as a friend so they are ok duelling what looks like not a threat at all. Wolf in sheeps clothing. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/720 "2017-09-15T09:23:49Z")
Guys. Stop it already. Listen to **me** , for once, and stop arguing endlessly, because that’s what they want you to do. you are constantly trying to reason with people who have a completely different logic. you do what they want, which is blabla, and you have no chance of ever changing anything this way. NO, instead you grow frustrated like FF above, an leave bitter. And they will just go on, and willkeep doing it, frustrating the next person who has no clue who they are talking to! > **[CCP Dev. Team and all other CCP Dev. members](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-dev-team-and-all-other-ccp-dev-members/24458/18?u=yellow_parasol)** > > of course you have! you miss the point! you can not rationalize with them! everyone’s just wasting time, and no one understands the “enemy”. it’s a completely different world of thinking. you actually know what i’m talking about! they filt the... Read this. Read the links. Learn what’s going on, and why this situation will NEVER change unless you start actually doing something sensible, instead of letting them constantly trap your ego is fruitless discussions! Can we group up already? ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/721 "2017-09-15T10:15:40Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Maybe it is time to stop nerfing and make the game dangerous (read interesting) again…? So… nerf it to do that then? 😏 ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/722 "2017-09-15T10:18:30Z")
It looks like i got it right 😇 Else you would not react _this_ way ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/723 "2017-09-15T10:21:23Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > You don’t present as a threat and hope they will accept a duel. Well… it would be very tricky to present you as ‘not threat’ for freighter to accept duel 😁 > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > Can we group up already? How do you see grouping with people whos name for everyone with different opinion is _idiot_? Such people usually gets cornered and invisible in any society. Nobody will befriend them. That’s why people learn _how to_ make others follow you and accept your ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/724 "2017-09-15T10:26:52Z")
> [@March\_rabbit](#): > > tricky to present you as ‘not threat’ for freighter to accept duel 😁 ~~Your~~ You’re not wrong… which is why the target audience for bait is other combat pilots (edit: not freighters) 😄 ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/725 "2017-09-15T10:30:11Z")
The “idiot” stems from frustration. You miss the point. The frustration comes, because the people adressed are unreasonable to begin with. Your “point” has no valu3, because it ignores why it happens in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/726 "2017-09-15T10:31:13Z")
> [@Markus\_Jameson](#): > > Your not wrong His what? ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/727 "2017-09-15T10:37:38Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > His what? He’s not wrong that it’s > [@March\_rabbit](#): > > tricky to present you as ‘not threat’ for freighter to accept duel I make no judgement or comment on anything else he said. I was just skimming & that’s what I took away from the post 😉 does the two word edit help? ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/728 "2017-09-15T11:47:29Z")
Okey. Now it is interesting who you offer to group with who. Because on one side you have frustrated people calling others “idiot” and on the other side you have unreasonable people having invalid points because they see the same object from different angle. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537.md?page=35) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537.md?page=37)