# Any theories on why so many people have quit over the last 2 years? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 9, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537 "2017-08-09T14:30:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Hilti\_Enaka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hilti_enaka/32/175955_2.png) [@Hilti\_Enaka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hilti_Enaka)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1032 "2017-10-26T08:51:09Z")
I would argue most business are not concentrating on new customers. They are focusing more on making their current customer loyal customers which is far cheaper than trying to convert new customers. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1033 "2017-10-26T09:06:06Z")
CCP absolute does it, though. They nerf one thing, buff the other or introduce completely new features that affect the game’s culture by bringing in new minds with new interests. They’ve been doing that for years. The new co-op PvE mechanics for highsec are one current example. Their slow shift towards PvE/PvP equality is another. ---
**Author:** ![Cam\_Me\_Leone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cam_me_leone/32/33408_2.png) [@Cam\_Me\_Leone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cam_Me_Leone)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1034 "2017-10-26T18:04:19Z")
> [@JBM\_Holdings](#): > > A developer once said something close to –\> Players stay longer if they are podded in the first few weeks of playing. I’ve also read that some believe hi-sec was far more dangerous in 06,07,08,09 than is now. While I agree there were explosions, many explosions in hi-sec back then, the ships exploding were combat, not defenseless industrial and haulers. The players in that era were at war and they fought. Result was players engaged and interacted. Industrialist and the like were left alone, unlike today. That’s why I left. It makes no sense that it’s profitable for a hi-sec ganker to jack a medium sized load of Veldspar. Well, that and the fact that pretty much everyone tells you it’s your fault and you’re playing the game wrong for mining Veldspar in hi-sec to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1035 "2017-10-26T18:11:48Z")
These tears are nectar. Have fun in hello kitty online! ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1036 "2017-10-27T06:20:22Z")
Its a matter of taste, but leaver tears are bitter-sweet. Less players=less content. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1037 "2017-10-27T07:05:43Z")
Nothing of value was lost. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1038 "2017-10-27T08:12:29Z")
Wait, so people told you it is a stupid thing to do, you did it anyway and now you blame the game for it and quit? Also ganking miners is not really profitable, we do it anyway, because we care. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 9:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1039 "2017-10-27T09:47:48Z")
That’s a generalization that does not stand the test of reality. Anyone leaving because of normal gameplay does not want to play this game, he wants to play a different game. When a carebear joins this game, he does not add any content except MAYBE as a target. Your statement is invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1040 "2017-10-27T10:10:28Z")
Every player provides content. Non-players provide no content. Your statement is as irrational as it is false. To make it really simple for you: -Every player in EVE is part of the content of EVE. -Somene that does not play EVE, is not part of the content of EVE. Capiche? ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1041 "2017-10-27T10:30:37Z")
Nope, that’s wrong. “Capiche” … what are you, an insecure teenager with inferiority issues? People aren’t equal, your generalization lacks base in reality. Someone hiding from afk cloakers provide no content. mission runners who avoid all interaction provide no content. there, that’s two and enough to prove your claim false. grow up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1042 "2017-10-27T10:42:35Z")
> [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > afk cloakers provide no content. You got that right… ---
**Author:** ![Kitty\_Bear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kitty_bear/32/13275_2.png) [@Kitty\_Bear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kitty_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1043 "2017-10-27T11:59:24Z")
A combination of - Boredom - Work & Family responsibilities. When you have a limited timescale for gaming, and when ‘content’ in eve takes forever to organise and actually start happening, you find yourself having to log-out 5 minutes before the fun actually starts to happen. Subbing was never an issue, so plex pricing was irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1044 "2017-10-27T13:54:29Z")
There is no need to reply to me, or talk to me in whatever form, because i am not reading whatever leaves your fingers. you don’t deserve the attention you get. have a nice day anyway. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1045 "2017-10-27T13:55:27Z")
The unknown is a worry which is human nature. The content comes from putting yourself in a position to kill the afk cloaked. I remember when you waited for an afk cloaker in stain, the other other alt I think his name was, and managed to kill him, when I logged on he’s was crying in local and you was winding him up. Lol. I was laughing to myself for ages. Epic content in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![yellow\_parasol](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yellow_parasol/32/10455_2.png) [@yellow\_parasol](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yellow_parasol)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1046 "2017-10-27T13:57:15Z")
People need to undock for that, though. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1047 "2017-10-27T14:02:28Z")
Yeah that was one of my favourite hunts that, I set him up with his windup MTU’s by reinforcing them and getting him into a pattern and he was too dumb to realise. Thanks for reminding me of that, made me chuckle remembering just how butt hurt he was. > **[Magnate | TheOtherOtherNeut | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/38308783/)** > > TheOtherOtherNeut (Casual Campers and Consenting Cynos) lost their Magnate in 6Y-0TW (Stain) Total Value: 1,569,998.49 ISK He ejected to get his pod out 🙂 * * * > [@yellow\_parasol](#): > > There is no need to reply to me, or talk to me in whatever form, because i am not reading whatever leaves your fingers. you don’t deserve the attention you get. > > have a nice day anyway. 🙂 Maybe you can start actually playing the game rather than troll posting about the game… ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1049 "2017-10-27T14:41:00Z")
Lol, he didn’t even have anything fitted, this just shows its good to take on these people. He had no intention of doing anything. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1050 "2017-10-27T14:46:42Z")
> [@Aaron](#): > > Lol, he didn’t even have anything fitted, this just shows its good to take on these people. He had no intention of doing anything. Later on he was using a SB with rockets and then put a cyno on, but it was pretty pathetic. The issue was that a few tender souls gave up due to this camper which was a real shame. Anyway his next loss was to a POS, what a loser. ---
**Author:** ![Pestilen\_Ratte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pestilen_ratte/32/42087_2.png) [@Pestilen\_Ratte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pestilen_Ratte)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1051 "2017-10-27T14:50:17Z")
> [@Caleb\_Seremshur](#): > > The problem they might have one day is just these monolithic organisations that have far too much reach with too little effort. Think you might be right here. ---
**Author:** ![Aaron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aaron/32/379788_2.png) [@Aaron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aaron)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537/1052 "2017-10-27T15:54:50Z")
Yes that’s right, its a shame, I did manage to get a few guys into assault frigs about a year before this. We used to belt rat even when a cloaky camper was there. He tried to blops our af’s many times, we were able to escape from 2 black ops ships once the cov cyno was lit. He couldn’t even point us once he uncloaked. These times we were bringing in over 1.5 billion a week in loot. Also we knew he played earlier than gmt time so most times it was obvious he was afk. The good old days. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537.md?page=51) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/any-theories-on-why-so-many-people-have-quit-over-the-last-2-years/15537.md?page=53)