# April 2019 Release - General Feedback **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, release, official\ **Created:** [April 9, 2019, 8:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526 "2019-04-09T08:56:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/79 "2019-04-09T18:02:08Z")
> [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > Defending corps have options, they can join an alliance, call in allies It would be very helpful if Allies in a war, could remote rep each other. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Lebowski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_lebowski/32/191402_2.png) [@CCP\_Lebowski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/80 "2019-04-09T18:02:49Z")
Its a tough balancing act, I’ll be honest. sometimes its good to drop by and dispel the myth that changes are made without consideration. We may not get things right, but the changes we make are measured and thought through. Non Consensual PvP and a NPC police forces in the same area of a sandbox is fundamentally a hard problem to solve, especially when there are a huge amount of competing entrenched opinions and perspectives. > [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > It would be very helpful if Allies in a war, could remote rep each other. I’m afraid that this is a really tough problem, unless you can only be an ally in every war the defender is in. Otherwise you get in a situation where you can be fighting a WT, but not the WT for the war the ally is in. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/81 "2019-04-09T18:05:37Z")
> [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > That’s not what this is about in the slightest. Its in fact the reverse. We’ve been pretty clear from the start of this project that the crux of the problem here is that a very limited group have been causing undue problems to a disproportionately large section of the playerbase. To use the whale analogy, we’re not trying to help the whales, we’re trying to help the plankton. You’re CLAIMING to help the plankton but realistically you’re not. **Furthermore the timing of this change is in-line with simply wanting to appease the whales fighting over perimeter.** > [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > Defending corps have options, they can join an alliance, call in allies and have people join their corp. They can also now fight back by attempting to destroy the HQ themselves or hire mercs. Its unfair to look at any change in isolation. “Defending corps have less options.” ftfy. They had all of those options before. Now they have those options minus the option of neutral logi while the massive wardec alliances can simply move their alts in corp, no biggy. Defending corps are going to be, if anything, LESS willing to engage and at a bigger disadvantage. > [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > Whats better, a 10 man fleet with a secret 10 man logi wing you can’t engage until they choose, or a 20 man fleet? Anyone that’s looking to actually engage any of these fleets were already well-aware of neutral logi (and also smart enough to simply use zkill), whoever you’re listening to that says neutral logi is stopping them from engaging in PvP is blowing smoke. ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/82 "2019-04-09T18:05:51Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > So you push all PIRAT and MARMITES logi into alliance (no big deal) and their victims can no longer call in friends out of corp? > > You think people are going to be MORE willing to engage when they see 20 wartargets in local instead of 10? > > You basically have removed suspect baiting. You can’t “bait” afterall unless there’s actually a trap behind it. Do you think a suspect is going to get any content “baiting” in a ship that can obviously kill the people he’s trying to bait? > > You do realize most of high-sec PvP is based around being profitable right? Do you also realize that this pushes MORE people into those massive war-dec alliances? > > So either you’re telling me that CCP actually thinks that mass-wardecs and suicide ganking are better content than the suspect baiting/escalation system OR **you’re all just blowing smoke and simply trying to appease the whales who suddenly want to fight over the perimeter citadel.** - If you’re in a war you can easily have friend join in by having their corp join as an additional defender in the war. if you’re the one wardecing, don’t wardec a target that you can’t handle yourself. If this is reference to assistance in High Sec PvP that isn’t part of a war, go to low sec. - Yes because they know it’s 20 war targets and not 10 + 0-40 neutral logi. - Unintentional bonus of the change. - The point of the changes are to limit High Sec PvP to actual legitimate wars. Piracy is for Low Sec, go fight against people that actually require skill to kill. - You keep saying that these changes are to appeal to whales. These changes are to appeal to new players. Ganking will always be a thing unfortunately, but against new players it’s not particularly profitable most of the time. Whales don’t blap a suspect bait, new players that don’t know better do. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/83 "2019-04-09T18:08:27Z")
> [@CCP\_Lebowski](#): > > unless you can only be an ally in every war the defender is in Why not doing exactly this? Defenders are unlikely to have a lot of independent wars, where some isolation is necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/84 "2019-04-09T18:10:45Z")
> [@Dragos\_Highwind](#): > > - If you’re in a war you can easily have friend join in by having their corp join as an additional defender in the war. if you’re the one wardecing, don’t wardec a target that you can’t handle yourself. If this is reference to assistance in High Sec PvP that isn’t part of a war, go to low sec. > - Yes because they know it’s 20 war targets and not 10 + 0-40 neutral logi. > - Unintentional bonus of the change. > - The point of the changes are to limit High Sec PvP to actual legitimate wars. Piracy is for Low Sec, go fight against people that actually require skill to kill. > - You keep saying that these changes are to appeal to whales. These changes are to appeal to new players. Ganking will always be a thing unfortunately, but against new players it’s not particularly profitable most of the time. Whales don’t blap a suspect bait, new players that don’t know better do. \*but those defenders can no longer provide remote assistance \*if they were actually interested in engaging they already knew who and how many logi there were \*have fun navigating past 5-10 more Kusions \*there isn’t piracy in low-sec and they would have to incentivise industrialists to operate there for it to be otherwise \*new players don’t participate in wars. new PvPers used to start off suspect baiting, now they just quit due to lack of content. ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/85 "2019-04-09T18:14:36Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > new PvPers used to start off suspect baiting not so sure about that, pretty much all of the pvp players I know started off in null or low sec flying super cheap frigs ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/86 "2019-04-09T18:16:54Z")
I’m talking about back when the game was at its peak playerbase. What % of the playerbase is in high-sec vs null and low? That used to be the distribution for new PvPers as well. ---
**Author:** ![Diarmait\_Hannigan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diarmait_hannigan/32/278544_2.png) [@Diarmait\_Hannigan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diarmait_Hannigan)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/87 "2019-04-09T18:17:55Z")
Honestly it was a little weird at first, but I really like the new dark interiors, except the ad boards, those can go ■■■■ themselves ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/88 "2019-04-09T18:18:11Z")
> [@Bladewise](#): > > \*new players don’t participate in wars. new PvPers used to start off suspect baiting New players could ALSO start out in HS in a small group (or even a 1 man corp) wanting to help a larger friend in a war, to learn more about pvp fleet ops. They can’t receive or transmit RR now. ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/89 "2019-04-09T18:21:07Z")
> [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](#): > > They can’t receive or transmit RR now. they could join their friend’s corp that they wanted to help? ---
**Author:** ![Hard\_Carnt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hard_carnt/32/39027_2.png) [@Hard\_Carnt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hard_Carnt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/90 "2019-04-09T18:22:14Z")
The poor sod is going for the coveted ‘most MTUs killed in highsec’ award. Don’t buy into his whimsical snarling, my bet is Bladewise will either get over it and find some other neiche cretin role or not and find a different game ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/91 "2019-04-09T18:22:25Z")
but they have less options overall, which is the point he’s trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/92 "2019-04-09T18:30:54Z")
> [@Nuke\_Michael](#): > > they could join their friend’s corp that they wanted to help? That’s the best way to do it, ofc. But there’s all kinds of random reasons people don’t want to leave a corp. Somehow permitting allies in a declared war to RR each other would restore the learning opportunity. (I don’t have enough experience to say more, in regards to the complications CCP Lebowski raised.) ---
**Author:** ![SAM\_Side](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sam_side/32/128376_2.png) [@SAM\_Side](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SAM_Side)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/93 "2019-04-09T18:35:12Z")
Where can I put a minus to this update? Give me a link pls. ---
**Author:** ![Nickolay\_Doyrenskii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nickolay_doyrenskii/32/138371_2.png) [@Nickolay\_Doyrenskii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nickolay_Doyrenskii)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/94 "2019-04-09T19:07:56Z")
I can’t believe the amount of salt you have brought to the thread it’s truly a fun thing to see. But I can’t have unfair advantage anymore REEEEE, I have to fight now REEEE… And fun stuff is that you said you’ve been playing for over 10 years in what? In HS? Maybe you want to go somewhere where there’s a bit of risk involved and there are no gimmicky mechanics like neutral logi and suspect baiting or the thought of having red on your kb scares you? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![AMARR\_KUNNNI](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amarr_kunnni/32/36497_2.png) [@AMARR\_KUNNNI](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AMARR_KUNNNI)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/95 "2019-04-09T19:27:26Z")
eve not sand box anymore since ccp only looks after the new player older get screwed everytime eg skill injectors and nefts to eng game ships like titans if you guiys could fix the lag in fights we lose so many hsips and have fun playing eve because the lag fight are not fun they really sad. ---
**Author:** ![Ramiel\_Wayfarer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramiel_wayfarer/32/462436_2.png) [@Ramiel\_Wayfarer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramiel_Wayfarer)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/96 "2019-04-09T19:29:49Z")
Worse graphic update yet, What a waste of time. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/97 "2019-04-09T19:29:54Z")
Great set of changes, making command ships be command ships, perfect, neutral reps, again perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Nuke\_Michael](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nuke_michael/32/382690_2.png) [@Nuke\_Michael](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nuke_Michael)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526/98 "2019-04-09T19:31:55Z")
> [@Nickolay\_Doyrenskii](#): > > or the thought of having red on your kb scares you? his kb is just suspect baiting ■■■■ fit mission runners with an orca, so uhh yes [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/april-2019-release-general-feedback/151526.md?page=5)