# \[ARC\] Humanitarian Provisions for Triglavian Collective **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [April 25, 2018, 12:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982 "2018-04-25T00:15:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/21 "2018-04-25T17:19:35Z")
> [@Teinyhr](#): > > if they have recovered Triglavians from the ship, of course I wish, even demand that they be treated with the same care for their wellbeing as any other non-combatants recovered from damaged ships So, given that we’re talking about CONCORD here, you mean ‘yell at them a lot and insist that they are scum who exist only to serve the whims of the Yulai Powers’? ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/22 "2018-04-25T19:11:45Z")
Possibly. I’m not privy to CONCORD protocols on rescued ship crews. ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/23 "2018-04-25T19:47:24Z")
Though I agree with you, nomistrav, I find it amusing since you have taken the stance that we should be hostile to the triglavians in the past. With the most recent months taken into account i find it amusing that you are now calling for humanitarian aid when in the past you would never consider it. Like I said, though I agree with the message as a whole, ARC could have found someone better to deliver it ---
**Author:** ![Theodarum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theodarum/32/479608_2.png) [@Theodarum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theodarum)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/24 "2018-04-25T19:50:16Z")
Just kill them all and take their Technologies. ---
**Author:** ![Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/akrasjel_lanate/32/389758_2.png) [@Akrasjel\_Lanate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Akrasjel_Lanate)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/25 "2018-04-25T19:53:03Z")
Information is being shared in a closed environment for now between CONCORD and the signatories and it’s only a matter of time before it will be gradually revealed to the public. I’m sceptical to this Sisters of EVE proposition and we dont even know that they need any “humanitarian” related aid. ---
**Author:** ![Mizhir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mizhir/32/379234_2.png) [@Mizhir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mizhir)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2018, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/26 "2018-04-25T20:09:56Z")
> [@Woodrow\_Ormand](#): > > I find it amusing since you have taken the stance that we should be hostile to the triglavians in the past. With the most recent months taken into account i find it amusing that you are now calling for humanitarian aid when in the past you would never consider it. Well. It looks like he changed his mind when he got presented with more information about the topic. Maybe you should try that. ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/27 "2018-04-26T00:17:12Z")
I do. Unfortunately very few people do the same ---
**Author:** ![Nomistrav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nomistrav/32/278296_2.png) [@Nomistrav](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nomistrav)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/28 "2018-04-26T00:45:59Z")
It would seem my words are misconstrued and frequently twisted regardless of context or composition; it would seem that I am doomed to be branded a violent individual regardless. If I am going to constantly be accused of this blind hostility with no heed given to anything else I said, I may very well begin to fit that image. … and I may very well start with those who create it… ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/29 "2018-04-26T01:19:10Z")
And there need not be evidence of their hostility to assume that we need to bring the offensive to them. As I said, bringing the fight to the Triglavians is a matter of utilitarian necessity. -Nomistrav And I heavily doubt that the Triglavians are capable of diplomacy. I accept CONCORD at their word for two reasons: 1. They are coming to capsuleers for help. 2. The Triglavian ship that Oveg Drust piloted was heavily damaged - likely from the Triglavians themselves. - Nomistrav For months now we have undergone constant mundane controversy over the Drifters and now the Triglavians. If you want to play the diplomatic route, do so. No-one will stop you. Do not get in the way of those of us who would serve as the vanguard, though, because we at least offer you the respect of allowing you to attempt your foolhardy ways. -Nomistrav gee i wonder where we get this crazy idea that you are a violent individual. these quotes are why people find it amusing that you are the one bringing this call for humanitarian aid to any triglavian survivors. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/30 "2018-04-26T01:24:13Z")
Mr. Ormand, your obsession with ARC and ARC personnel is unseemly. ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/31 "2018-04-26T01:28:45Z")
Obsession, no, your members are simply the ones i find most often are the most contradictory or hypocritical. In this instance, it isnt particularly against ARC, its Nomistrav. overall, i agree with the message, but the person who delivered the message makes it suspect and unlikely to be believed by anyone who would be in any authority to grant your demands ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/32 "2018-04-26T01:35:15Z")
The two aren’t necessarily inconsistent, though. Sometimes mercy consists of a quick death; sometimes, a strong effort to sustain life, even at substantial cost. ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/33 "2018-04-26T01:36:14Z")
I don’t disagree, it’s all situational, but that isn’t the case here ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/34 "2018-04-26T01:38:19Z")
A straight question, then: Is it Mr. Nomistrav, the person, you have troubles with? Or is it his expressed views? One of these is easier to change than the other. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/35 "2018-04-26T01:39:06Z")
Mr. Ormand, you’re _witnessing_ someone struggling with how to best make a difference, to protect life as much as possible. The utilitarian approach he speaks of? It’s born of over a year of tumult and turmoil as he’s witnessed our efforts. You say very few people change their minds, and that things are situational-- why is this not exactly the thing? ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/36 "2018-04-26T01:42:45Z")
Not entirely both, of course I disagree eith the views, but the person has been very difficult in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/37 "2018-04-26T01:47:39Z")
That may very well be the case, but you don’t attack someone when diplomacy is being tried it can cause more loss of life if the opposing side is significantly more powerful. Having someone say we should attack the triglavians first and then say we should try diplomacy, it is suspect and can compromise any diplomatic efforts. I don’t doubt the triglavians have already hacked the igs and cam see what everyone has said. If you want diplomacy, don’t use someone who has already talked about first strikes to send your message ---
**Author:** ![Nomistrav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nomistrav/32/278296_2.png) [@Nomistrav](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nomistrav)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/38 "2018-04-26T01:53:44Z")
> [@To my Intaki Brothern: Embrace Divergence](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/to-my-intaki-brothern-embrace-divergence/63487/3): > > Have I just witnessed nomistrav become a combatant? I’m not putting you down, it’s very sound logic, one I hold to, but i didnt think id see this happen. Oh, how quickly that sword’s edge may turn… ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/39 "2018-04-26T01:54:02Z")
Which is why we’ve proposed that an appropriate agency begin the diplomatic effort. ---
**Author:** ![Woodrow\_Ormand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/woodrow_ormand/32/515084_2.png) [@Woodrow\_Ormand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Woodrow_Ormand)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2018, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982/40 "2018-04-26T01:56:13Z")
I was surprised. I assumed you would be a more combative version of your old self, combat as a last resort but still strive for peace. not do a complete 180 like you have appeared to have done and not look for the peaceful resolution until you are told to give a pre planned press release. It’s like you aren’t the same person anymore. You changed so drastically [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-humanitarian-provisions-for-triglavian-collective/71982.md?page=3)