# \[ARC\] Joined operation request to the Empires, EDENCOM and loyal capsuleers **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927 "2021-05-07T21:28:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/344 "2021-05-15T15:01:22Z")
Sounds like you do not realize the marines are people Dutch most definitely did not put there, and she probably herself considers betrayers of trust. You cannot put pressure on someone by threatening to kill _their enemies_. ---
**Author:** ![Celltear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/celltear/32/381264_2.png) [@Celltear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Celltear)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/345 "2021-05-15T15:42:03Z")
Kybernauts Suib-Calde is responsible for the aspirant narodnya we fly amongst the flow. ARC is responsible for the pilots undertakign ARC’s operation. If ARC does not wish to take responsibility for this, then Kybernauts Sub-Clade will uphold a Council with the Convocation regarding the fate of the captured. ⊽⋀◬/\◬⋀⊽ ---
**Author:** ![Cedar\_Crendraven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cedar_crendraven/32/338834_2.png) [@Cedar\_Crendraven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cedar_Crendraven)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/346 "2021-05-15T16:50:15Z")
Well, this is certainly interesting to see. I can’t honestly say I am that surprised someone from the State would try to smuggle in armed troops, given how the State faired during the invasion. Last time I looked around in Pochven, there were certainly a lot of Drifters lurking about. Perhaps someone should forward @Seriatim_Foucault that ARC Operations Manual regarding avoiding that rather nasty Primary Strike weapon the Drifters use. ---
**Author:** ![Issac\_Taredi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/issac_taredi/32/435383_2.png) [@Issac\_Taredi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Issac_Taredi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/347 "2021-05-15T18:10:12Z")
Covert Kybernauts observations have already observed the “method” for “avoiding” the primary strike weapon. We certainly enjoyed profiting from the wrecks the failed operations left behind. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/348 "2021-05-15T18:31:26Z")
**Official Statement Issued by Arataka Research Consortium on the Events of Pochven** Arataka Research Consortium has always acted in good faith, whether through scientific endeavors or humanitarian missions. Our fleet commander saw a need to help rescue citizens held in occupied systems and acted to prepare the evacuation. We negotiated faithfully with Maldavius, who approached us for a compromise. We were initially prepared to embark on this mission without any support from the occupying forces, using our own means of protection through others linked to the Consortium. However, upon announcement from a high ranking Triglavian, that support was denied. ARC is not a military based organization and has never professed to be such. Therefore, when embarking on these operations, we go in basic trust that the capsuleers aiding us are of the same mindset. In order to prevent any subterfuge, we contracted the transports and fittings to eligible pilots. However, we were remiss in thinking that one of them did not have ulterior motives and a singular agenda. ARC will continue to strive to be a force for scientific and humanitarian efforts throughout the cluster, and we strongly condemn these actions which have needlessly endangered millions of innocent lives. Submitted faithfully, Lasairiona Raske Head Diplomat Arataka Research Consortium ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/349 "2021-05-15T18:40:59Z")
> [@Maldavius](#): > > ARC will not be permitted to enter Pochven under any circumstances. While I do consider you an enemy of the State and will likely fire on contact, I have to admit I commend and approve your decision. I believe it is wise and will bring only good to our cluster. ---
**Author:** ![Engineer\_Gromov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/engineer_gromov/32/273238_2.png) [@Engineer\_Gromov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Engineer_Gromov)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/350 "2021-05-15T20:56:12Z")
I have a question for the Kybernauts involved in this whole action. I have seen many attacks on ARC, the nature of it, past actions, individual pilots, etc. However, I have rarely seen any mention of the actual protagonists of this mission - the civilians wishing to leave Pochven. Irrespecitvely of what you think about ARC, what do you think of the civilians, and their free will? Is free will no longer a thing once you enter Pochven and consort with the Triglavians? I participated in another attempt at contacting civilians in Pochven today, and the logs and short inquiries show that while many citizens (perhaps even a majority) do support the Triglavian ideals and society, there are definitely citizens wishing to leave. Why are their wishes not respected? Would you allow an organization that is not ARC, or affiliated in any way with it, to evacuate civilians wishing to leave under their free will? ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/351 "2021-05-15T23:06:51Z")
> [@Engineer\_Gromov](#): > > Would you allow an organization that is not ARC, or affiliated in any way with it, to evacuate civilians wishing to leave under their free will? There was a time window where this was available. The offer was not accepted Higher ups from the Triglavians prohibited the evacuation Negotiations ended Whatever happens now is by force and will most likely involve a lot of civilians deaths during the transportation ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/352 "2021-05-16T00:19:33Z")
> [@Engineer\_Gromov](#): > > However, I have rarely seen any mention of the actual protagonists of this mission - the civilians wishing to leave Pochven. > Irrespecitvely of what you think about ARC, what do you think of the civilians, and their free will? > Is free will no longer a thing once you enter Pochven and consort with the Triglavians? I will answer you-- but you will not like what I have to say. Narodnya in Pochven belong to the Triglavian Collective. Whether the weeping and wailing Empire loyalists admit it or not, Pochven is sovereign territory that no longer belongs to their masters. The Convocation decides who may leave and who may not-- _like any other sovereign ruler._ Yesterday, the Triglavian sovereign sent a representative to answer the question. That answer was unambiguous: _Attempts to seize Aspirant Narodnya and remove them from the Proving will not be tolerated by the Clades._ All of the kybernaut entities in Pochven heeded Subcommander Foucault’s exhortation and destroyed the poshlost interlopers who attempted to interfere. God, it was magnificent fun. > [@Engineer\_Gromov](#): > > I participated in another attempt at contacting civilians in Pochven today, and the logs and short inquiries show that while many citizens (perhaps even a majority) do support the Triglavian ideals and society, there are definitely citizens wishing to leave. > Why are their wishes not respected? Why are so many capsuleers unable to respect the wishes of the Convocation to decide on the policies that apply to their sovereign territory? Don’t even think to cry to me about the sanctity of “civilian freedom” or any other such nonsense. Every one of your empires cheerfully chucks individual rights out of the nearest airlock the moment it becomes politically necessary to do so. That’s not an aberration… that’s the basic operation of a _government._ Devotion to your Empires does not reward you with the moral high ground. You only _want_ it to. You want it _desperately_, because it suits the way you imagine your place in the universe. You lie to yourselves. You lie to others. And you resent us, the kybernauts; because we see your lies and we reject them. ---
**Author:** ![Raven\_Moore](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raven_moore/32/464693_2.png) [@Raven\_Moore](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raven_Moore)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/353 "2021-05-16T00:21:33Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/8/7/487b191a4818c49f3018c1934eed6529db2f46c3.png) ---
**Author:** ![Attn\_Thaddeus\_Reynolds](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/attn_thaddeus_reynolds/32/377671_2.png) [@Attn\_Thaddeus\_Reynolds](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Attn_Thaddeus_Reynolds)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 4:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/354 "2021-05-16T04:37:46Z")
Of tangential relevance, it appears the same individual: Zoe Anneto of Caldari Civil Group (C-C-G) has deployed a Landing Carrier in close proximity to the reserved civilian air corridor on Skarkon II maintained by ground based AA and an Orbital Dockyard. Still confirming precise contents of the carrier, but it would not surprise me if they were attempting to once again exploit a specifically set up and maintained humanitarian effort in an effort to make a military foothold. Nothing indicates ARC had anything to do with this deployment on-world, other than the timing coinciding with the scheduled time for the main ARC fleet. This may lend more credence to the individual and organization in question being opportunistic and exploiting existing plans and infrastructure for cover of their operations, especially given the planet they are attempting landing on already has multiple factions meeting in battle on a daily basis and robust ingress-egress infrastructure . To that end, fire has commenced on the Landing Carrier and it has been advised to have been in violation of airspace and close orbital restrictions of Skarkon II. I am repeating here though to those who may be authorized to remove the sublight lander to do so before its destruction is required to maintain operational parameters. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/355 "2021-05-16T05:13:39Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Why are so many capsuleers unable to respect the wishes of the Convocation to decide on the policies that apply to their sovereign territory? Skarkon and Krirald are tribal land. _Occupying_ a space does not make you its sovereign. The Minmatar have long memories. We can wait 900 years and still remember who the invader-enemy is. You have held that space for _seven months_. ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/356 "2021-05-16T05:58:26Z")
Ahhh, and there it is. Exactly the self-delusion I was talking about. You spit the word “occupy” as if it is some lesser thing, and not the very prize itself. Like every other self-important fool, you think the past _entitles_ you to the future. But the only things to which you are truly entitled are what you can take—_and hold_—in the present. Of course you won’t heed my words, so instead I will allow the soon-to-be-burning wreckage of your final foothold in Pochven grant you exactly the kind of enlightenment you deserve. See you on grid, _poshlost._ ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/357 "2021-05-16T06:13:30Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > See you on grid, _poshlost._ See you on grid, invader. ---
**Author:** ![Rusty\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rusty_tsero/32/513041_2.png) [@Rusty\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rusty_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/358 "2021-05-16T06:14:47Z")
And thus, mutual violence was achieved. So… When do we start? ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/359 "2021-05-16T06:15:53Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Why are so many capsuleers unable to respect the wishes of the Convocation to decide on the policies that apply to their sovereign territory? > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Like every other self-important fool, you think the past _entitles_ you to the future Regardless of all the other drivel you spew in your posts, this hypocrisy is _off the charts._ “People should respect Triglavian sovereignty!” “Sovereignty” that the Triglavians now _occupy_ due to _not respecting other peoples’ sovereignty._ I’ve no real interest in arguing with Triglavian sympathizers as far gone as you. I mainly want to point out the mindless regurgitation of contradictory pro-Triglavian talking points to anyone who still clings to the over-glorified idea that neutrality is commendable. When one side is hypocritical, star-sucking, planet abductors and the other side is made up of the people whose planets they dragged into Abyssal Hell, staying neutral is an atrocity in and of itself. See you on grid, star-sucker. ---
**Author:** ![Engineer\_Gromov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/engineer_gromov/32/273238_2.png) [@Engineer\_Gromov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Engineer_Gromov)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/360 "2021-05-16T11:45:52Z")
> [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > There was a time window where this was available. > > The offer was not accepted > > Higher ups from the Triglavians prohibited the evacuation > > Negotiations ended > > Whatever happens now is by force and will most likely involve a lot of civilians deaths during the transportation While this pushes any and all responsibility and accountability away from you to your commanding officer, it is the most reasonable response among the others here. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > The Convocation decides who may leave and who may not-- _like any other sovereign ruler._ Last time I checked, three out of four empires allow their citizens with the means to do so to freely immigrate among the cluster. The only one who does not is the Amarr Empire, which has built its very foundations on slavery and oppression. Comparing yourself to them like this shows that you know you are in the wrong. Just like them, you still attempt to act towards others as if you were righteous. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Don’t even think to cry to me about the sanctity of “civilian freedom” or any other such nonsense. I like how the narrative went from “the civilians want to be Triglavian” to “I know many of them don’t want to, but we don’t care, and don’t you dare mention it”. > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Devotion to your Empires does not reward you with the moral high ground. Bold of you to assume I am devoted to any empire, instead of to humanity. And you have proclaimed yourself enemy of humanity. It’s rather simple, isn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/361 "2021-05-16T20:14:28Z")
> [@Engineer\_Gromov](#): > > Irrespecitvely of what you think about ARC, what do you think of the civilians, and their free will? Their service is admirable and their free will is desired. > [@Engineer\_Gromov](#): > > Is free will no longer a thing once you enter Pochven and consort with the Triglavians? Of course it is. > [@Engineer\_Gromov](#): > > Why are their wishes not respected? Because their participation in The Struggle is required during the weaving of Pochven. Following that, things are open for re-negotiation. > [@Engineer\_Gromov](#): > > Would you allow an organization that is not ARC, or affiliated in any way with it, to evacuate civilians wishing to leave under their free will? Not yet. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/362 "2021-05-16T23:15:53Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Following that, things are open for re-negotiation. But you’re in no position to honestly make that claim, are you? You have no idea if there’s any openness to ‘re-negotiation’ among the Triglavians, or even if there _is_ a ‘following that’. The ‘weaving of Pochven’ might well be an open-ended condition that just means ‘while these systems are held by the Trigs’. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_maxwell/32/319582_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Maxwell)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/363 "2021-05-17T02:32:18Z")
The only “negotiation” should be at the point of a gun when it comes to Triglavians. They offer nothing but violence to the Empires, we should offer them the same hospitality. And we should take back from them what they took in the first place. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927.md?page=19)