# \[ARC\] Joined operation request to the Empires, EDENCOM and loyal capsuleers **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927 "2021-05-07T21:28:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 6:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/21 "2021-05-08T06:44:16Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > The last time ARC attempted such a stunt, they met 0 opposition and proceeded to burn local Kybernaut structures to the ground. ARC did not. EM did. Elsebeth Rhiannon Head Diplomat Electus Matari ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/22 "2021-05-08T07:57:28Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > I would not object were it not ARC organizing this. The only thing they have proven is their hostility and insincerity. I don’t think it’s ARC you’re thinking of. ARC gave your lot the chance to prove that you didn’t completely disregard the lives of the people on the planets you were responsible for plunging into Abyssal hell. You took that chance that ARC so graciously provided you, a chance that many would _not_ provide you, and the Triglavian supporters who _accepted_ ARC’s invitation chose to throw that chance out the window, withdraw from the humanitarian mission, and use your staged fleet to begin assault on the new Invasion of Caslemon. That lot of Triglavian bootlickers were the ones to prove _not only_ their hostility to humanity, but their sheer lack of integrity. ARC had nothing to do with either the hit on the Triglavian structure in Vale or its mostly unopposed destruction. That was EM and PNS acting on our own volitions. Here you try to slander ARC is half-truths and whole lies. But there’s few you’re fooling. You showed your dishonesty during the very same event you’re trying to use to smear ARC. Arsia Elkin Bad at Shutting Up Electus Matari PS - You lost Caslemon. You threw away that potential goodwill for _nothing._ ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 8:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/23 "2021-05-08T08:07:53Z")
Having read all the…pontificating, I can only say that ARC did try to negotiate with the Kybernauts, but they proved to be unwilling to provide satisfactory terms. We went into Vale, did our operation and left. It was then others chose to remain and stage their own operations to which ARC had no knowledge of, nor were they sanctioned by our alliance. So I highly advise next time accusations fly, this is remembered. As for the timeliness of this operation, I can only apologize it hasn’t happened sooner. Lasairiona Raske Head Diplomat Arataka Research Consortium ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/24 "2021-05-08T08:13:18Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > ARC did not. EM did. > [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > That was EM and PNS acting on our own volitions. Staged and deployed under an ARC operation. Don’t try to pretend this is supposed to mean something, the fact that ARC could not screen its volunteer forces for maniacs itching for a fight while on this supposed humanitarian, delicate operation speaks for themselves. > [@Lasairiona\_Raske](#): > > It was then others chose to remain and stage their own operations to which ARC had no knowledge of, nor were they sanctioned by our alliance. Oh, how fortunate that the head diplomat of ARC graces us with her presence. I suppose this means that we can expect a public disavowment and condemnation of what EM and affiliated forces did in Vale, then? ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/25 "2021-05-08T08:15:05Z")
Well, maybe next time you guys can show up to the operation you were invited to instead of trying to sneak off and take a system that happened to get invaded. Then you could have tried and stopped us. Arsia Elkin Sick of Hypocritical Triglavian Supporters Electus Matari ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/26 "2021-05-08T08:16:07Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Oh, how fortunate that the head diplomat of ARC graces us with her presence. I suppose this means that we can expect a public disavowment and condemnation of what EM and affiliated forces did in Vale, then? How are we meant to condemn what we didn’t condone in the first place? This appears to be a ploy to detract from the matters at hand. I’m addition, your remarks seem to hold little merit with the volunteers for this operation. You may kindly take your vitriol elsewhere. I, for one, will not be tolerating it. Have a marvellous day. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/27 "2021-05-08T08:16:31Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Staged and deployed under an ARC operation. Don’t try to pretend this is supposed to mean something, the fact that ARC could not screen its volunteer forces We were not under ARC command. They could not have stopped us from coming and they could not have stopped us from shooting whatever we decided to. Elsebeth Rhiannon Head Diplomat Electus Matari ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/28 "2021-05-08T08:31:57Z")
What efforts will be taken to maintain public order in the event of being able to land on the planets ? A [previous](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/federal-marines-serpentis-forces-impose-martial-law-on-vale-v/270749) report indicated martial law and firing with lethal intent on people rushing the spaceports was necessary to maintain order. ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/29 "2021-05-08T08:41:03Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > A [previous](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/federal-marines-serpentis-forces-impose-martial-law-on-vale-v/270749) report indicated martial law and firing with lethal intent on people rushing the spaceports was necessary to maintain order. I highly doubt Gutter Press is a legitimate source of news, however hysterical it may be. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/30 "2021-05-08T08:52:30Z")
> [@Lasairiona\_Raske](#): > > How are we meant to condemn what we didn’t condone in the first place? Failure to disavow noted, Head Diplomat. > [@Lasairiona\_Raske](#): > > I highly doubt Gutter Press is a legitimate source of news, however hysterical it may be. Legitimate source or not, the concern is very legitimate. I am noting that while you were quite willing to clarify that ARC forces did not attack that structure in Vale, you don’t seem very concerned with the accusations of intending to involuntarily remove people from Pochven. ---
**Author:** ![Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vehaima_zekaarin/32/260875_2.png) [@Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vehaima_Zekaarin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/31 "2021-05-08T09:15:30Z")
It’s kind of funny in that sad sort of way when the Triglavians conduct an unprovoked armed invasion of CONCORD signatories and the Zorya lackeys decry the hostility of those that support said signatories. As far as I remember, Triglav brought warships not peace to New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/32 "2021-05-08T09:17:49Z")
I wouldn’t have called the subject matter of that report hysterical. As for legitimacy, as I understood it, the GP reporter was actually on the ground at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/33 "2021-05-08T10:57:58Z")
Criminal capsuleers claiming peaceful legitimacy on behalf of those not interested in it? I cannot help but feel I have seen this holo before. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/34 "2021-05-08T11:28:29Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Don’t try to pretend this is supposed to mean something, the fact that ARC could not screen its volunteer forces for maniacs itching for a fight Be it plausable deniability or not, you do know that this type of assortment does not bring “control” with it. We may know how public gatherings starts, but not how it ends. And in an area where a lot of people show up to fight, have it happen at the same time as a rescue operation does not necessarily mean support. Omission perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vehaima_zekaarin/32/260875_2.png) [@Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vehaima_Zekaarin)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/35 "2021-05-08T11:29:55Z")
Well, last I checked I am a psychopath murdering criminal without much interest in legitimacy or peaceful accord. I do not enjoy hypocrisy or disingenuous banter either so I do not say, as a Gurista, that hostility on the part of those I harm is not earned by all rights. I can take responsibility for my actions and those whom I support. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmuriel\_Orwente](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kimmuriel_orwente/32/271587_2.png) [@Kimmuriel\_Orwente](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kimmuriel_Orwente)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/36 "2021-05-08T11:48:38Z")
Majority of kybernauts are not criminals according to yulai accords. Everything else is just the matter of your own personal distaste, and nothing more. I’m not questioning the motives of your masters, and strongly advise to not question ours. ---
**Author:** ![DutchGunner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dutchgunner/32/378183_2.png) [@DutchGunner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DutchGunner)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/37 "2021-05-08T12:07:19Z")
There is a lot of criticism and several accusations. I’ll adress these as much as possible in this single reply. - @Lauralite_Anne_Brezia There are clear limitations to what a single capsuleer organisation can achieve. ARC is genuine in its desire to evacuate people still stranded in Pochven but the success of the evacuation depends heavily on the Empires, EDENCOM and capsuleers working together to achieve this. The near total free usage of Triglavian gates within Pochven finally provides an opportunity for such a large scale operation. To state this is just for PR purposes is extremely distateful. - @Woodrow_Ormand ARC has done a lof of research on the Triglavians and published [multiple publicly available](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-triglavian-primer/202559) reports on this. One of these reports included the importance of blue stars and a list of systems that were very likely to get targeted. This was far before the Triglavians began their efforts to conquer systems and the ‘creation’ of the Pochven region. - With regard to the Vale evacuation efforts: I refer to the replies from @Arsia_Elkin , @Elsebeth_Rhiannon and @Lasairiona_Raske. - To those who have offered their support, it is greatly appreciated and I look forward to discuss and coordinate our joined efforts. - With regard to the requested details on the ‘how do you plan to do this?’: organising any joined operations, especially on this scale, presents a lot of challenges. More details will follow as soon as possible but with OpSec in mind. Regards, DutchGunner (ARC Fleet Commander) (CONCORD Loyalist) ---
**Author:** ![Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lauralite_anne_brezia/32/380065_2.png) [@Lauralite\_Anne\_Brezia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lauralite_Anne_Brezia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/38 "2021-05-08T12:15:42Z")
> [@DutchGunner](#): > > There are clear limitations to what a single capsuleer organisation can achieve. ARC is genuine in its desire to evacuate people still stranded in Pochven but the success of the evacuation depends heavily on the Empires, EDENCOM and capsuleers working together to achieve this. The near total free usage of Triglavian gates within Pochven finally provides an opportunity for such a large scale operation. To state this is just for PR purposes is extremely distateful. The op in Vale came off very much as a PR stunt, in terms of perception, and yes I was present to witness it. You did rescue some people, but… it was, at the time, a one off event that got _a surprising_ amount of press coverage, so you can understand why it comes off that way. I look at it similarly to the large scale evacuation op of Skarkon. Of which I was also present to witness, and despite it being a major and notable effort, still was woefully limited, but also garnered _rather surprisingly large amounts of press coverage._ All the while I and others were more actively and continuously running and coordinating extended evacuations for months alongside Bosena Accords despite being opposed constantly in it by the local ‘governor’ of the system and his hired lackeys. I hope this clarifies my skepticism. If you’re serious about a long term, at scale evacuation effort? I’m all for it, and will volunteer my assistance and contacts in Pochven to assist in this. Just make sure its people that want to leave that are picked up. And… I don’t believe I stated _this_ was going to be just for PR purposes. I said to make sure your priorities are in the right place, and so far it seems so. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/39 "2021-05-08T16:11:00Z")
> [@Kimmuriel\_Orwente](#): > > Majority of kybernauts are not criminals according to ~~yulai accords~~ _CONCORD’s inability to keep proper records_ Your masters’ motives were not mentioned; what was is that self-professed Kybernauts are criminals and traitors to humanity, something clear to a blind man. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2021, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/40 "2021-05-08T17:07:50Z")
With respect; all succesful humanitarian and public-good organizations do some PR. They have to, as they almost in practice always rely on contacts, donations, volunteers and patronage for running. That an organization has good PR on something does _not_ mean that something was done just for PR purposes. Reputation is _everything_. Elsebeth [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927.md?page=3)