# \[ARC\] Joined operation request to the Empires, EDENCOM and loyal capsuleers **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927 "2021-05-07T21:28:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/61 "2021-05-11T00:17:24Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > you are leading an army into our home. The absolute ■■■■■■■ irony of a Triglavian sympathizer objecting to somebody ‘leading an army into their home’ is hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/62 "2021-05-11T00:23:34Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > You wish to help those unwilling to remain here? This avenue is not the one to take. Okay, so, you have of course a counter-proposal? I mean, you’ve been there a while; maybe you have some ideas for how to help captive populations de-captivate themselves? Are you sure you don’t just see letting them go as a shameful waste of war materiel, what with Perun’s apparent approach at Vale? I’m seriously kind of waiting to read something like: “Downed Triglavian heavy particle weapon bio-platform identified as 73-year-old grandmother of 6.” ---
**Author:** ![Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vehaima_zekaarin/32/260875_2.png) [@Vehaima\_Zekaarin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vehaima_Zekaarin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/63 "2021-05-11T00:37:02Z")
Those poor Trigs. All they wanted to do was peacefully kill people, capture their territories, and then coerce them to convert physically at gun-point. Real swell humanitarians, those Trigs. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/64 "2021-05-11T00:40:02Z")
> [@Arsia\_Elkin](#): > > The absolute ■■■■■■■ irony of a Triglavian sympathizer objecting to somebody ‘leading an army into their home’ is hilarious. Your eagerness to move into a foreign system and _reclaim_ some poor, misguided people, on the other hand, is very expected and disappointing, Elkin. > [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Okay, so, you have of course a counter-proposal? I mean, you’ve been there a while; maybe you have some ideas for how to help captive populations de-captivate themselves? Neither the Collective, nor those resisting them benefit from the current arrangement. Stribog already has forces deployed on multiple populated worlds inside Krai Veles. Whil I personally am not able to serve as a diplomatic liaison for the Collective, I can negotiate for the expulsion of resistance members from Pochven, if they lay down their arms and co-operate with us. On a larger scale, I think ARC’s efforts should focus on establishing proper communications with the Collective. Their continued anti-drifter operations would already put them in a good place to achieve success and remove disruptive elements in peace, while also laying the groundwork for normalizing diplomatic relations with them in general. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/65 "2021-05-11T00:42:41Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > but you are leading an army into our home. While it is quite _fun_ to destroy capsuleers using industrial ships, they are usually no match against a proper opponent, something the residents in Pochven _are_. Would the ships with no weapons be accepted and protected, even in the event of some fight happening near them? (One that can, and most likely will due to some happy trigger in any of the sides) ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/66 "2021-05-11T00:45:57Z")
> [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](#): > > Would the ships with no weapons be accepted and protected, even in the event of some fight happening near them? (One that can, and most likely will due to some happy trigger in any of the sides) I would have no objection to that. I am sure something like this could very plausibly be arranged. Again, the removal of the unwilling is not detrimental to the Collective, not to mention that such a joint operation could make use of our own planetary assets to co-ordinate poeple. Getting more militant elements to come along might prove a little challenging, though. This is worth further investigation and planning. ---
**Author:** ![Arsia\_Elkin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arsia_elkin/32/388703_2.png) [@Arsia\_Elkin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arsia_Elkin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/67 "2021-05-11T00:50:35Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Your eagerness to move into a foreign system and _reclaim_ some poor, misguided people, on the other hand, is very expected and disappointing, Elkin. What I’m eager to do, is to move into systems occupied by an invading power and free the people they’ve abducted. You always seem to go out of your way to attack me based on my past transgressions. But while I’ve changed my ways and regret my past, you continue to try to hide the fact that you still stand by your atrocities and _deflect_ by pointing at me and shouting “Amarr.” You do this every time it’s pointed out how scummy your Triglavian overlords are and how wrong your support of them is… But you can’t hide. We know what you did and what you _still_ support. Point at me and scream “Amarr” all you want. You’re just trying to hide from your own insecurities. We know. ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/68 "2021-05-11T00:53:31Z")
> [@DutchGunner](#): > > During all of this; ARC welcomed all pilots, regardless of their background. This included multiple members from the Stribog Clade and other pro-Triglavian pilots. I certainly thank you for the ease by which my agents were able to infiltrate and gather information. > [@DutchGunner](#): > > Just as with the Vale evacuation, ARC has extended a hand in order to show good faith. This has been done in order to try and avoid conflict and violence for the sake of those who are residing in Pochven. Instead of taking that hand and showing that your organisation does care about those who live in Pochven, you have decided on this response. > > While not suprising, I had hopes for a different reply. We care very much for those who live in Pochven. In particular, _the Triglavians_ and the _kybernauts who call it home._ We do not trust you, nor do we trust the word of the EDENCOM-affiliated entities that will doubtlessly shelter their hostile intentions under your “humanitarian” cloak. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/69 "2021-05-11T00:59:12Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > I certainly thank you for the ease by which my agents were able to infiltrate and gather information. When a meeting is open, would “infiltrate” be the best word to describe sitting and listening? ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/70 "2021-05-11T01:08:42Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > I certainly thank you for the ease by which my agents were able to infiltrate and gather information. “Also: Bwahahahaha!” (Seriously? You’re the diplomat?) > [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > Neither the Collective, nor those resisting them benefit from the current arrangement. Stribog already has forces deployed on multiple populated worlds inside Krai Veles. Whil I personally am not able to serve as a diplomatic liaison for the Collective, I can negotiate for the expulsion of resistance members from Pochven, if they lay down their arms and co-operate with us. > [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > I would have no objection to that. I am sure something like this could very plausibly be arranged. Again, the removal of the unwilling is not detrimental to the Collective, not to mention that such a joint operation could make use of our own planetary assets to co-ordinate poeple. Hm. That’s … interesting, actually. If any clade were going to be willing to let their involuntary population go I’d expect it to be Veles, if only on account of them apparently neither being keen to weaponize the population (Perun) nor to apparently just sterilize their holdings of whatever isn’t them (Svarog). Hm. ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/71 "2021-05-11T01:19:35Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > “Also: Bwahahahaha!” > > (Seriously? You’re the diplomat?) …I _did_ say “thank you,” didn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/72 "2021-05-11T01:25:51Z")
Yes, in that “holodrama villain” kind of way. Is part of your job perhaps to make Ms. Malitia look good? ---
**Author:** ![Sahara\_Jackal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sahara_jackal/32/296697_2.png) [@Sahara\_Jackal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sahara_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/73 "2021-05-11T02:07:42Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Yes, in that “holodrama villain” kind of way. You don’t seem to understand the role of a diplomat. My job is not to tell people what they want to hear. It’s to tell people _what they need to know._ If you’re so concerned about saving narodnya lives, have a moment of care for the ones put in harm’s way with this foolish incursion into Triglavian space. Or would you prefer them to be _surprised_ when they meet the business end of a Stribog gunship? ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/74 "2021-05-11T02:26:07Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > If you’re so concerned about saving narodnya lives, have a moment of care for the ones put in harm’s way with this foolish incursion into Triglavian space. Or would you prefer them to be _surprised_ when they meet the business end of a Stribog gunship? Mm. No-- I think I’ve met another diplomat similar to you actually. Just, in quite a different position, less well-served by looking big and scary. A bit mean, but only in certain directions rather than kind of … every direction. I’m not sure whether this kind of diplomacy is good or bad; I expect the real question is what job it gets done. What I am sure of is that if you’re defending yourself to me, you’re most likely a little unsure yourself. Which is interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_maxwell/32/319582_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Maxwell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Maxwell)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/75 "2021-05-11T02:43:16Z")
Were one to wish to donate supplies to this endeavor, would you be willing to accept them? ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/76 "2021-05-11T04:48:35Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Skarkon > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Skarkon > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Skarkon > [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Skarkon It’s funny you concentrate on _Skarkon_ here when that system 1) was not singled out by the _original_ poster, and 2) is possibly the only system in Pochven with a concerted effort of evacuation, starting from before Pochven and _still_ going on, by _multiple_ odd bedfellows, some of them kybernaut-aligned but none of them directly ARC, participating and even co-operating. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 5:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/77 "2021-05-11T05:09:22Z")
> [@Sahara\_Jackal](#): > > Why, when the Collective first arrived in Skarkon for reconnaissance, did you not evacuate ALL the civilians immediately? Yes, _why_, when the Collective first arrived in Skarkon, didn’t ARC immediately marshal the _six thousand freighters_ it would have taken to evacuate all of one planet, so they could be destroyed by Trigs and Kybers in space?? What _ever_ could have prevented them from conjuring up enough pilots to qualify as the seventh-largest capsuleer organization in the cluster? I mean, they only would have needed _twelve times as many pilots as Stribog Clade has_, all in freighters, to manage it. What a ridiculous question. > [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > you are leading an army into our home I promise, we’ve long-since deployed a far more destructive weapon into your home. Even now, it is slowly reducing your minds to tapioca. And Sahara’s posting definitely shows it’s working. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/78 "2021-05-11T06:37:55Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Even now, it is slowly reducing your minds to tapioca. And Sahara’s posting definitely shows it’s working. As attested by a proud test subject, if your chronically inane posting is anything to go by. Seriously, no-one on these forums writes as much as you yet says so little, it’s almost concerning. By the way: > [@Divinity Social and Insensitivity](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/divinity-social-and-insensitivity/290525/183): > > I’ll be completely honest here: finding it would take me quite a lot of time and it’s late, so I’m going to play for time here on my way to rack out for the night, and hope @Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci swoops in with his encyclopaedic knowledge of these things_1_ to say ‘oh, here it is!’ and swoop on out again. If that doesn’t happen, I’ll go rooting through the threads of the last 30 months in a sort of shambling lurch until I dig it up for you_2_. You ever planning on delivering on this? It’s been months, that must be _some_ lurch. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/79 "2021-05-11T07:18:15Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > your chronically inane posting In the four years that this incarnation of the IGS has been active, and the three or so prior years in the previous incarnation, many people have attempted to win an argument with Arrendis by calling her posting inane. Surely _this_ time it will work, right ? Right ? ---
**Author:** ![Lasairiona\_Raske](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasairiona_raske/32/467893_2.png) [@Lasairiona\_Raske](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasairiona_Raske)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2021, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927/80 "2021-05-11T08:22:06Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > You claim that Vale was not your doing, yet your own head diplomat refuses to even disavow the actions of your escorts. How would you prefer I control their actions next time? TCMCs? Brainwashing? Physically tying them up in the hold of my ship? Do tell. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-joined-operation-request-to-the-empires-edencom-and-loyal-capsuleers/309927.md?page=5)