# \[ARC\] Semiosis **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 20, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507 "2019-03-20T20:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/324 "2019-04-11T14:13:50Z")
I am getting more and more excited about the planet shattering kaboom. I keep telling myself, Gosa, Gosa I say, you got excited about automata and Jovian splinter cells but neither of them moved the ball forward. While we’re on the upswing of Hope, however, maybe it isn’t about a planet at all. Maybe it is a **star destroyer**. We have reason, and even a nebula which grew “impossibly” fast and then stopped, to remind us that something went very wrong with a star relatively recently. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/325 "2019-04-11T14:23:18Z")
We’ve seen their gate architecture, though. It doesn’t look anything like that. It could be a(nother?) station plan, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/326 "2019-04-11T14:34:44Z")
I say its 2/3rds of a gate to get Mad Titan out of Abyss. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/327 "2019-04-11T14:48:13Z")
It does resemble the Talocan static gate. I think of it as Great Big Gun, of course, but as a Triglavian gate, it would probably have to be 1/3rd. Edit: I see where you get the 2/3rds. Ok, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/328 "2019-04-12T15:23:58Z")
Veles Clade has sent a new notice, RElSRUNUSVZFIDU5 or DIRECTIVE 59, linked [here](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/fiction/eveonline/Triglavian/brekive.mp4). Work is on-going. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/329 "2019-04-12T15:29:10Z")
It certainly doesn’t seem like this is just some kind of secret project we’re occasionally stumbling across. They want us to see and understand. I’d guess that they’re either trying to awe us with their power or get us intrigued with the possibility of building something like this ourselves. Or, you know, both. Either way, they do seem to have decided we’re worth cultivating. Go us? ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/330 "2019-04-12T17:10:16Z")
Yes looks like they think us worthy of investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/331 "2019-04-12T17:12:02Z")
The compilation assembles - this clip continues to be of the now-discovered second stage. [https://giant.gfycat.com/WellgroomedSparklingCobra.webm](https://giant.gfycat.com/WellgroomedSparklingCobra.webm) ---
**Author:** ![Evi\_Polevhia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evi_polevhia/32/501296_2.png) [@Evi\_Polevhia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evi_Polevhia)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/332 "2019-04-12T17:16:26Z")
> [@Makoto\_Priano](#): > > Veles Clade has sent a new notice, RElSRUNUSVZFIDU5 or DIRECTIVE 59, linked [here](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/fiction/eveonline/Triglavian/brekive.mp4). > > Work is on-going/ Work on translation of this piece has now completed. > **VELES - DIRECTIVE 59** > > !ITERATE ++ QUERY ++ ENCODE | HUMAN POLITY COMPARISON:IDENT COMPARISON:CAT COMPARISON:SUBCAT KEYCHAIN:BUJAN-CTOS-SC-AEC-GTR //FRAGMENTARY// [FRAG001. FRAG278] : RECODE++PROCESS\>\> > > SPATIO - TEMPORAL CO-ORDINATE RANGES CAST IN DIMENSION WITH AUGMENTED HUMAN ACTIVITY RANGES AND CAST IN DIMENSION WITH MOTIVATIONAL IMPERATIVE SAMPLING\>\> > > CORRESPOND TO OBSERVED DISTRIBUTIONS IN SCATTER-VOLUME MODEL OF CIVILISATION DEVELOPMENT > > RANK ORDERING TENTATIVE CORE SET [3-6], TRANSITIONAL SET [5-20] POSITED PERIPHERY SET [15-100] //WORKING MAXIMA// !NOTE++ENCODE|SET BOUNDS DEFINITION COMPARISON:SET QUERY:SUBCAT|RECODE++PROCESS If you have corrections you feel you need to offer based on the work presented here direct any inquiries to myself or Makoto Priano. This file has been translated based off of [past efforts of ARC and related external associates](https://i.imgur.com/r9bio5M.jpg) such as myself. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/333 "2019-04-12T17:18:57Z")
This one was particularly difficult, and was translated through the combined efforts of multiple people. It seems the Triglavians might be “proving” us in more ways than one. ---
**Author:** ![Nyphur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nyphur/32/460013_2.png) [@Nyphur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nyphur)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/334 "2019-04-12T18:31:40Z")
Very tricky to unpack even after translation. They’re studying our empires now and not just those of us who enter their space. I’d say “CAST IN DIMENSION WITH” is something like “compared to” based on previous usage of the word dimension in Triglavian communications. So spatio-temporal coordinate data has been compared with capsuleer activity data and data from proving ground samples. The results “correspond to a scatter-volume model of civilisation development,” so they’ve identified that we’re fractured into regional territories occupying various volumes of space I guess. The next bit’s interesting, they may have started to rank our factions or territories on some kind of scale. The numbers in brackets always start with a small number and then a larger one, so I think we can assume these are number ranges. If I’m interpreting this correctly, they’ve identified a set of 3-6 core territories or factions, 5-20 transitional territories/factions, and 15-100 periphery territories/factions. I think they’re talking about division between the core empires, the smaller empires and pirate factions, and then the nullsec alliances. There are around 3-6 core empires (in reality probably 4, depending on definition), 5-20 significant smaller empires and pirate factions do exist (it’s actually around 15 or so), and then nullsec is dominated by easily 15 to 100 distinct political divisions. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/335 "2019-04-12T19:46:30Z")
> [@Nyphur](#): > > “CAST IN DIMENSION WITH” is something like “compared to” Right! Right, right, right. I prefer my dimensions spatial, or perhaps singing, but this a geek thing. I just dealt with it a couple of months ago, too, and it escaped me. A charming Ni-Kunni came into my office with a brilliant idea, and I had to decide if it was brilliant enough to warrant the Golden Fleet’s protection or not so much. Of course most of the work gets done by the Caldari Graduate Assistants. Particularly the math work. Frankly, I am not of the opinion that the Golden Fleet should protect clever applications of mathematical formulas. But there is a lot of money in clever math, and money is often used to move the Golden Fleet in ways it should not be moved. But I digress. It’s what I do. Data science, um, data warehousing, yes that’s it. Big Data! It uses this dimension idea. A dimension consists of measurements for one fact over time. You throw a bunch of dimensions together, the more the merrier, and voila. You decide which planet to blow up. Or star. With either the medium star destroyer or the large star destroyer. Or with the medium static gate, the large static gate, or just the static gate. Memo to Heaven: blow up a planet people care about right this instant! ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/336 "2019-04-12T19:48:51Z")
Sounds about right from my estimation. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/337 "2019-04-12T19:54:42Z")
The Triglavians don’t really have to go to the trouble of operating their own data warehouse. They could just create a mole and subscribe to CONCORD’s monthly economic report… ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Redwolfe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baron_redwolfe/32/474918_2.png) [@Baron\_Redwolfe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baron_Redwolfe)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/338 "2019-04-13T13:15:13Z")
Seems some news is getting around. This pretty much sums up most of what we have talked about here and so far they did notice something odd. The fact that when it came to the Rouge Automita, or as well call them, Rouge Drones, the voices were not synced up like in all the other references. Then again the staggering of the voices is rather interesting. If the Sansha have gotten into they Abyss, I wonder why we have not seen them like we do the Drifter ships. Is it due to the Drifters being advanced to the point they match the Triglavians in tech? If that is the case then there is a bit more worry about them, especially if this “War in the Heavens” is to be considered an all out war in New Eden. I think the last time a war was given such a title, the Empire nations were all actively trying to destroy each other right? I wonder if we will get a bigger capsuleer response to this than the Drifter Incursion. Though I might have simply missed many reports about that during the time. I am very curious however about the technology used by the Triglavians. Are the cores displayed openly a Black hole, or is it an artificial star that they form using methods to highly compress matter into a near singularity point? It seems that every time I find out more on the Triglavian as a whole, the more questions that seem to appear the longer time continues to flow. At least they are not like their siblings the Amarr, they don’t seem intent on taking slaves and oppressing the Universe as we know it. I could be wrong however, but the status of three that they live by is rather interesting. I wonder, according to another thesis on this empire, if being originally tied to the Amarr, if seeing the Drifter swarm destroy Empress Catiz I’s Titan and substantially ending her reign with a rather violent demise, could that factor into them not liking the Drifters as well? ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/339 "2019-04-13T17:00:41Z")
I believe Uriel has correctly identified the Triglavians and the Tyrant Drifters as factions of the Jovian Second Empire. Her Illuminated Majesty Catiz I is the present sovereign. The re-emergent Tyrant forces very deliberately destroyed a titan piloted by Her Previous Illuminated Majesty, Jamyl I. The Titan’s name was _TES Seraph_. Which I had forgotten until looking it up just this very moment. Astounding! It so happens that the Triglavians are the Seraphim who visited Amarr as “masked angels” several thousand years ago, when the War In Heaven (involving at least Triglavian and Tyrant forces) began. The Matari may have encountered something similar around a similar time. In their case, I’m not sure if they have actually lost the Gifts From Heaven or are only pretending to have lost them. Those People are accomplished at pretending to have lost entire tribes, after all, so a few little glowing angel nodules shouldn’t be too hard to “accidentally misplace.” ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/340 "2019-04-17T11:52:33Z")
Newest translation of the messages received 16 minutes ago. > //Now-time > discourse-element// > \<\ spatio-temporal > co-ordinate > ranges > !nog++encode|Jovian > expansionist > polity > iters.[2.0.0, > 2.7.2.0] | recode++process! > not > reconciled > with > ingressing > data\>\> > //evocation > of > ancient-time > noemata > of Kostorg > conduit > flow > and > confluence// And original triangle. It’s a very clear message, made translating it easier than the others, which have often been very blurry. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/0/906b19f810e38b0cc1090abaf592cadab28972c8.png) edit: Added the block quote and image. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/341 "2019-04-17T11:54:23Z")
you are a monster when it comes to reading these. was gonna take a stab at it myself, but by the time I came here just to say “hey we got mail” you’ve already got it done. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/342 "2019-04-17T11:57:45Z")
She’s very talented. ---
**Author:** ![Aradina\_Varren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aradina_varren/32/398702_2.png) [@Aradina\_Varren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aradina_Varren)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/343 "2019-04-17T11:58:48Z")
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