# \[ARC\] Semiosis **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 20, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507 "2019-03-20T20:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Kolmogorow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kolmogorow/32/266551_2.png) [@Kolmogorow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kolmogorow)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 6:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/587 "2019-04-29T18:41:54Z")
In the third video, could this be a pilot in a Charon jumping through a gate in Niarja (assuming it’s indeed Niarja), with the sun in the background and a nebula above the Charon? In the last second on the left panel there is also a brief text that looks like: ?FACE ?EN 1.0 One (or some) letter seem to be cut off by the left panel border. ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/588 "2019-04-29T18:42:57Z")
It remains to understand the meanings that are given in the messages. They are not just given ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/589 "2019-04-29T18:45:15Z")
As others have said, these last few intercepts have certainly been observational survey information disseminated among the cladeflow, general looking-around by the trigs into our own space. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/590 "2019-04-29T19:04:27Z")
Although the line is not straight, I wouldn’t discount the idea that it is pointing somewhere completely. The EVE constellation is in that general direction. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/591 "2019-04-29T19:05:47Z")
Well, the problem there is: Gamis _isn’t_ the middle system. So it’s not a line. It’s two different lines, one from Hator to Gamis, one from Hatori to Niarja. In nearly direct opposition. Kinda like you’d get from _any_ group of 3 if you don’t close the triangle. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/592 "2019-04-29T19:14:32Z")
The “transmission protocol” being used here may or may not be sequential. The order that we receive the videos is not necessarily the order of the surveys. Of course, lines can be drawn between any two points, and so it is risky to read too much into three dots. It does seem reasonable to believe that the Triglavians are interested in stars, however. I wonder what the classification of the star in the abyssal system (if it is in fact one system) might be. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/593 "2019-04-29T20:14:20Z")
I think there’s one thing we can do with these dots- lay out an AoI (Area of Influence). If we know the Triglavians can observe these three points, it stands to reason, pending further information, they can observe all points in between. Could whoever’s doing the map “close the triangle” as Arrendis said? ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/594 "2019-04-29T20:22:35Z")
For each “planet”, they gave a characteristic. And everyone here is ignored. This is a big mistake. Niarja - GLORY, STRONG, HIGH STABLE Hatori - FLAME, FAINT, NEGLIGIBLE Gamis - RESTFUL, MEDIUM, WEAK STABLE What does this mean? I dont know… ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/595 "2019-04-29T20:31:21Z")
Those descriptors appear to be on the star. The strong/faint/medium is presumably hydrogen line analysis. The porevitium is-- hm. Still not sure there. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/596 "2019-04-29T20:40:16Z")
The “GalNet” citation may be a bit off, but the Triglavian surveys do appear to place particular importance on stars. Several fields relate to stellar classification, and that list appears to include “immanence” - a fuzzy mystical mythological quality (at least in contrast to luminosity and spectrum). I don’t imagine the Triglavians literally worship stars as gods. But Glory, Flame, and Restful may be archetypes in a belief system that helps them identify useful features of this or that star. Habitation zones, energy output, or somesuch. But the power of myth, as it were, is to be pretty much anything. Poked the button a little quickly… With respect to the non-mythological qualities, I think your connection between “faint/negligible”, “medium/weak stable”, “strong/high stable” is a pretty solid observation. I don’t know all the juicy details of what astronomers use The Hydrogen Line for - but it is Kind Of A Big Deal for measuring the Universe. ---
**Author:** ![Annisir\_Kaugan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annisir_kaugan/32/388372_2.png) [@Annisir\_Kaugan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annisir_Kaugan)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/597 "2019-04-29T20:55:11Z")
I think it simply refers to color, the Flame sun was very flame-y etc. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/598 "2019-04-29T20:57:28Z")
If we get another Flame, and it is also a K-type star, then that may well be it. ---
**Author:** ![Kolmogorow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kolmogorow/32/266551_2.png) [@Kolmogorow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kolmogorow)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/599 "2019-04-29T21:03:13Z")
Given that the first star is a red K-star, the second one a white dwarf, and the third one a blue A-star, I could imagine that “IMMANENCE” might describe the star’s “immanent” intensity of nuclear fusion - slowly burning like a flame in K stars, dead and restful in white dwarfs, intense and glorious in A stars. My assumptions on the other parameters are: THERMOKINESIS -\> Surface Temperature BELO-CHERNO SCALE -\> Luminosity IMMANENCE -\> Intensity of Nuclear Fusion PROTIUM TRANSITION -\> Intensity of Hydrogen Spectral Lines POREVITIUM TRACE -\> ??? LIMINAL BOUNDARY -\> Radius PROFOUND MATTER -\> Metallicity, i.e. abundance of elements heavier than Helium No clue what “POREVITIUM TRACE” might be, but I’m curious if there are stars where it’s classified as “…UNSTABLE” ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/600 "2019-04-29T21:08:25Z")
The relationship that Formosus noticed between the hydrogen lines and Porevitium Trace looks pretty reasonable to me. K-type lines are weak because the star’s hydrogen is not experiencing a lot of electron movement. The lines are also weak in very hot stars, because the electrons are all gone. The lines are strong in the “just the right temperature” stars. Can you think of anything else that is stable for “just the right temperature” stars? ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/601 "2019-04-29T21:15:15Z")
![3333](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/b/1/b10e9225e0ae058acc6fb5f981ade8b60f80d440.png) Niarja: A small blue sun belonging to a class of relatively common dwarf stars that are often planet-bearing or accompanied by planetary dust clouds. Many stars of this kind rotate quickly and the class is known for strong hydrogen and ionized metal lines in stellar spectroscopy. Hatori: A bright orange star that is relatively cool but stable, being of a class that typically runs a fusion process on the main-sequence for as long as 30 billion years. Planetary systems containing an abundance of heavier metals and relatively complex molecular products have been noted as present around such stars. These stable stars, emitting relatively gentle levels of ultraviolet radiation, are common targets for scientific expeditions looking for life or colonization survey teams seeking viable planets within their comfortable habitable zones. Gamis: This small white star is largely made up of degenerate matter and is slowly cooling, having ceased thermonuclear fusion after exhausting its fuel. The temperature of these stars is generally uniform through the body due to the excellent thermal conduction of degenerate electrons making up the bulk of their mass. High surface gravity leads to separation and purification of elements in these stars such that, while generally composed mostly of carbon and oxygen, the atmosphere is rich in lighter elements. ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/602 "2019-04-29T21:42:02Z")
I have a small hypothesis. Is there a star next to Hatori that could become a supernova? Next - 6.6ае As with the explosion of the star wormholes opened. Why not repeat? And these reports - search for a similar star. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/603 "2019-04-29T21:44:05Z")
> [@dfase\_Anninen](#): > > Is there a “planet” next to Hatori that could become a supernova? Planets don’t do that… ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/604 "2019-04-29T21:45:20Z")
I meant the stars. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/605 "2019-04-29T21:46:53Z")
There was nothing particularly unusual in the Hatori system visible to us - or at least nothing obviously unusual. Hatori’s star is much too small for a natural supernova, and there were no precursor objects (again visible) orbiting the star. ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/606 "2019-04-29T21:47:30Z")
Hatori was scoured pretty comprehensively after the last Semiosis intercept, too… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507.md?page=31)