# \[ARC\] Semiosis **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 20, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507 "2019-03-20T20:22:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/607 "2019-04-29T21:49:57Z")
Hatori was the first. Did not fit. Niarja is the second. Did not fit. Gamis is the third. Did not fit. I just do not understand why they explore the stars. But the search for a suitable … ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/608 "2019-04-29T21:51:20Z")
That is the question, isn’t it…? Why are the Triglavians looking for a star? Can we determine their objective based on the characteristics they take note of? ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/609 "2019-04-29T21:56:44Z")
Kolmogorow’s translation of the fields feels very solid, and I also think that Formosus has got something with the relationship between Protium and Porevitium. We still need a good answer for what that Porevitium might be, though. There appears to be more of it with stronger hydrogen lines. The hydrogen lines depend on movement of electrons in hydrogen. Convection? Magnetic field? Sunspots? Astrophysicist to the bridge… astrophysicist to the bridge… ---
**Author:** ![dfase\_Anninen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dfase_anninen/32/131710_2.png) [@dfase\_Anninen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/dfase_Anninen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/610 "2019-04-29T22:06:22Z")
We must look for a star class A0. According to the map, they are there, but I broke my eyes trying to figure out where they are. ---
**Author:** ![Taloris\_Aldercain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taloris_aldercain/32/317529_2.png) [@Taloris\_Aldercain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Taloris_Aldercain)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/611 "2019-04-29T22:10:46Z")
I second the concern on their interest on a star in any inhabited system. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/612 "2019-04-29T22:11:42Z")
I’ll take the almost unsupportable plunge and say that it is actually a line and that the next constellation will be Fua. Does the map show any A0 in Fua? ---
**Author:** ![Lirbiss\_Naraunt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lirbiss_naraunt/32/168813_2.png) [@Lirbiss\_Naraunt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lirbiss_Naraunt)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/613 "2019-04-29T22:23:47Z")
> [@Gosakumori\_Noh](#): > > We still need a good answer for what that Porevitium might be, though. As the most accurate translation would be “Time Flaw”, couldn’t it be traces of Isogen-5? ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/614 "2019-04-29T22:35:42Z")
I do love the “Time Flaw” translation. Abyssal space actually feels like a “time flaw” to me. If it is Isogen-5, then to M. Aldercain’s concern, we might need to cry for Niarja. It does say “high stable,” though, so as long as no one lights a match… I’m going to pick Ealur as the next system. SCIENCE is all about making predictions and being wrong 99% of the time, anyway. This pick also implicates the concern about inhabited systems, because Ealur is home to a prominent-but-not-quite-prominent-enough Amarrian bloodline. ---
**Author:** ![Dunk\_Dinkle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dunk_dinkle/32/319804_2.png) [@Dunk\_Dinkle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dunk_Dinkle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/615 "2019-04-29T22:59:21Z")
> [@dfase\_Anninen](#): > > Niarja - GLORY, STRONG, HIGH STABLE > Hatori - FLAME, FAINT, NEGLIGIBLE > Gamis - RESTFUL, MEDIUM, WEAK STABLE Could these be references to types of filiaments: restful=calm, strong=fierce, flame=firestorm, etc… ? ---
**Author:** ![Chinsuko\_Orlenard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chinsuko_orlenard/32/135479_2.png) [@Chinsuko\_Orlenard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chinsuko_Orlenard)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/616 "2019-04-29T23:28:51Z")
I’ve been following for a couple days now and I’ve seen numerous conversations on the meaning of “IMMANENCE” none of them yet have mentioned the possibility of a translation error, or word “drift” (time changing spelling) from the word Emenance as in emanating. Which grammatically speaking isn’t the most accurate, but is often use for particle/emission release by objects especially in astrological sciences. In this case stellar emissions / emianance would relate to stellar weather and the activity of the stellar corona. Examples: stellar mass ejections, stellar storms, stellar winds These are all coronal emissions of charged particles. If you look at it that way: **Flame** - could easily be a stellar mass ejections (looks like giant candle flames/fireballs) ![Flare](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/1/81ce826ee016118c6ee612f74547f619ab957c89.jpeg) **Restful** - may be a calm cycle of stellar spots/coronal ejection (many stars have cycles 11yrs as an example) ![Max%20vs%20Min](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/f/2fcac75a694b8f90308ed38e78124fa7a12c6793.jpeg) **Glory** - might just be strong stellar winds in a uniform manner (associated with Boreals / magnetosphere reactions) ![Uniform](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/f/ff8a6eb9fc09257b1400a16b22bfdf999daa8b25.jpeg) Coronal Emenactions are frequently related to stellar magnetosphere activity which is an activity level otherwise mentioned on these reports but one can theorize would be very relevant to stability of jump/travel/energy technologies. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/617 "2019-04-29T23:39:45Z")
Has anyone tried bisecting those lines and seeing if X marks the spot? ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 11:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/618 "2019-04-29T23:45:31Z")
If we did, the center point would just be one of the systems we already know ---
**Author:** ![Guillaume\_deCauchy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/guillaume_decauchy/32/131786_2.png) [@Guillaume\_deCauchy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Guillaume_deCauchy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/619 "2019-04-30T00:25:35Z")
![pointer](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/8/e861c70276a37167d75be4677b306f5b03274e9f.png) I won’t pretend that my attempt is accurate, as it was quite rushed. However, it is quite clear that bisecting the Niarja-Hatori and Hatori-Gamis line segments produces a convergence _somewhere_ in Minmatar space. Which I should note, is commonly believed to occupy roughly the geometric center of the cluster. What if they are mapping stars that lie as close as possible to the radius of a circle centered on some feature at the cluster’s core? ---
**Author:** ![Aiden\_Vayle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiden_vayle/32/208691_2.png) [@Aiden\_Vayle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiden_Vayle)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/620 "2019-04-30T00:28:54Z")
Feels like reaching to me, but that’s actually an interesting find. ---
**Author:** ![Miaralie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miaralie/32/304913_2.png) [@Miaralie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miaralie)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/621 "2019-04-30T01:18:06Z")
Certainly not disagreeing with the “time flaw” hypothesis… but if my limited ancient Amarrian serves it would be ’ pore flaw ’ … however we have seen and heard the Triglavians use words in manners we would not associate. I speculate perhaps pore=wormhole, or rather Abyssal Trace. A reach perhaps, and not much help in putting the metrics referenced into a better frame. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/622 "2019-04-30T01:51:59Z")
I agree that wormholes and filaments do have a clear connection to the concept of “pore,” but all of the terms otherwise seem to be very amenable to quantifying stars. Earlier I was thinking of convection, sunspots, the emergence of magnetic lines, etc. as possible “stellar pores.” Because Isogen-5 is associated with both stars and precursor weapons, it does seem like something the Triglavians would measure. The star rated “high stable” for Porevitium matches the profile of stars associated with Isogen-5. It makes sense that Hatori would have “negligible” Isogen-5 because it is too “cool,” and it makes sense that the white dwarf would be “middling.” Very very hot stars would also have weak hydrogen lines, and these could be “too hot” for Isogen-5 to remain stable. So Isogen-5 seems to work quite well. I don’t myself quite have a grasp on exactly how Isogen-5 might relate to “porevitium,” though. Lirbiss would have to explain that one. There is also Isogen-10, of course, but the description of that does not suggest that it forms in stars. ---
**Author:** ![Taloris\_Aldercain](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/taloris_aldercain/32/317529_2.png) [@Taloris\_Aldercain](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Taloris_Aldercain)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/623 "2019-04-30T03:37:33Z")
Also why in that area of New Eden specifically, as opposed to say Delve or Outer Ring, or even in the middle of The Forge? ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/624 "2019-04-30T04:25:28Z")
How the Triglavians picked these stars up front is a good question (if that’s what you mean). A fourth star will help determine whether this is a line or a perimeter. Bisecting the segments was clever, though Hatori itself is already in a pretty central location. It is a bit of a mystery why they are looking at all. The kinds of stars being surveyed don’t change in a few thousand years. The Triglavians should already have this information, unless the astronomical records of the Second Empire were lost (which is entirely possible). It may be worth considering that the Triglavians actually have always been in or beyond the Abyss, and the Second Empire found and attacked them. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/625 "2019-04-30T04:54:11Z")
> [@Gosakumori\_Noh](#): > > A fourth star will help determine whether this is a line or a perimeter. Alternately, it could be neither. It could simply be a random sampling from different regions—possibly to check on how various stars have progressed in the years since they descended into the Abyss. ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2019, 5:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507/626 "2019-04-30T05:06:58Z")
The main sequence for a K-type star is 20-30 billion years. Hatori hasn’t changed since some plankton decided to give wiggling on land a try. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507.md?page=30) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/arc-semiosis/147507.md?page=32)